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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with this article, I feel I am driven by my libido, I would like very much to have a girlfriend, but I know to be able to compete and get a genuine girlfriend/wife I must do everything in my power to work hard and earn lots of money...

I have traveled to many states for work, I have worked 13 hour graveyard shifts as a quality engineer tech at a semiconductor facility, I have worked the worst, riskiest, and most unwanted jobs, but now I'm 27 years old work in a plush office environment as a software developer contracting for $57 an hour...

However I believe I do this all for the sake of sex and pursuing a relationship with a decent and beautiful woman, this is just the way of things, this is our gender role as men, to knuckle under, work hard and do what we gotta do to succeed and impress a woman. It's depressing but I have come to accept this role as a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with this article, I feel I am driven by my libido, I would like very much to have a girlfriend, but I know to be able to compete and get a genuine girlfriend/wife I must do everything in my power to work hard and earn lots of money&#8230;</p>
<p>I have traveled to many states for work, I have worked 13 hour graveyard shifts as a quality engineer tech at a semiconductor facility, I have worked the worst, riskiest, and most unwanted jobs, but now I&#8217;m 27 years old work in a plush office environment as a software developer contracting for $57 an hour&#8230;</p>
<p>However I believe I do this all for the sake of sex and pursuing a relationship with a decent and beautiful woman, this is just the way of things, this is our gender role as men, to knuckle under, work hard and do what we gotta do to succeed and impress a woman. It&#8217;s depressing but I have come to accept this role as a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've read that one or 2 people on here have been accused of being radical masculinists  for taking the MGTOW route and espousing the underlying attitudes of it. To be perfectly honest, it reminds me of the "man-hating lesbian" slur from the 60s which was directed at feminists.

Next to noone taking this line blames women or wants them wiped out like the likes of Mary Daly or Valerie Solanas were in their books.

However they recognise patriachy  for what it is and have had enough.

Patriarchy is men being reduced to cannon fodder while women stay safe in their homes.

Patriarchy is men dying of disease, injury and exhaustion on large scale infrastructure projects to give women and children better lives.

Patriarchy is chivalry and gallantry men whoring themselves out to women while giving women the power of choice for who they will be with rather than it being about equal choice. It is also expecting men to on one hand be the ultimate alpha,  but to capitulate completely to a woman.

Patriarchy is the notion that all men who are victims of domestic violence at the hands of women are either urban myths, not "real men"  or perpetual predators finally getting what was coming to them (ie "the woman MUST have been defending herself").

Patriarchy is the notion that "women and children"  must be saved at all costs while men are a dime a dozen and can easily be replaced.

Patriarchy is the notion that men should be reduced to virtual cash registers and ATMs at the cost of the bond and relationship with their children.

It is because of Patriarchy that men are choosing the path of the MGTOW and the marriage strike, as the system has made relationships highly perilous for men. DV laws blame the man and protect the woman, rather than prosecuting the perpetrator and protecting the victim; the family court system views men as expendable and exploitable compared to the infinitely protectable woman.

The reality is that men have had enough of not only fellow men and our fathers encouraging this (but largely because they too are trapped by this and do not know any better), but our mothers and the women of society wanting us to be "real men" and then as our psychological jailers, vilifying us as some kind of perpetual overlord for it. I realise that women are also trapped by the same system and that their prison is merely the flip side of the same coin- however such a statement is necessary to break through the notion that women are perpetually harmless, innocent and helpless. Some women are truly wonderful, while others are pretty much Satan incarnate and while the former is recognised by society, the later is virtually an anathema to it.

I like many other men are waking up and have had enough- we reject the traditionalist alpha and beta roles as equally as we reject the feminist omega role. We are proud Zeta men- our manhood being defined by our physical gender, but that genderhood making of a tiny fraction of our personhood. All the feminists and the traditionalists out there should start to realise that we will not be silenced and we will not go away.  With each injustice our numbers grow larger and our voices less silent. We refuse to be viewed by society as expendable penises on legs and demand our personhoods be treated with the same dignity that feminism demands for those of women.

You cannot vilify us into silence, you cannot emasculate us into vanishing. We are here to stay and we will do what feminists have failed to do and had no right to even attempt to do- redefine masculinity. We are here to stay. To all the traditionalists and feminists out there; I have 4 words for you: get used to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that one or 2 people on here have been accused of being radical masculinists  for taking the MGTOW route and espousing the underlying attitudes of it. To be perfectly honest, it reminds me of the &#8220;man-hating lesbian&#8221; slur from the 60s which was directed at feminists.</p>
<p>Next to noone taking this line blames women or wants them wiped out like the likes of Mary Daly or Valerie Solanas were in their books.</p>
<p>However they recognise patriachy  for what it is and have had enough.</p>
<p>Patriarchy is men being reduced to cannon fodder while women stay safe in their homes.</p>
<p>Patriarchy is men dying of disease, injury and exhaustion on large scale infrastructure projects to give women and children better lives.</p>
<p>Patriarchy is chivalry and gallantry men whoring themselves out to women while giving women the power of choice for who they will be with rather than it being about equal choice. It is also expecting men to on one hand be the ultimate alpha,  but to capitulate completely to a woman.</p>
<p>Patriarchy is the notion that all men who are victims of domestic violence at the hands of women are either urban myths, not &#8220;real men&#8221;  or perpetual predators finally getting what was coming to them (ie &#8220;the woman MUST have been defending herself&#8221;).</p>
<p>Patriarchy is the notion that &#8220;women and children&#8221;  must be saved at all costs while men are a dime a dozen and can easily be replaced.</p>
<p>Patriarchy is the notion that men should be reduced to virtual cash registers and ATMs at the cost of the bond and relationship with their children.</p>
<p>It is because of Patriarchy that men are choosing the path of the MGTOW and the marriage strike, as the system has made relationships highly perilous for men. DV laws blame the man and protect the woman, rather than prosecuting the perpetrator and protecting the victim; the family court system views men as expendable and exploitable compared to the infinitely protectable woman.</p>
<p>The reality is that men have had enough of not only fellow men and our fathers encouraging this (but largely because they too are trapped by this and do not know any better), but our mothers and the women of society wanting us to be &#8220;real men&#8221; and then as our psychological jailers, vilifying us as some kind of perpetual overlord for it. I realise that women are also trapped by the same system and that their prison is merely the flip side of the same coin- however such a statement is necessary to break through the notion that women are perpetually harmless, innocent and helpless. Some women are truly wonderful, while others are pretty much Satan incarnate and while the former is recognised by society, the later is virtually an anathema to it.</p>
<p>I like many other men are waking up and have had enough- we reject the traditionalist alpha and beta roles as equally as we reject the feminist omega role. We are proud Zeta men- our manhood being defined by our physical gender, but that genderhood making of a tiny fraction of our personhood. All the feminists and the traditionalists out there should start to realise that we will not be silenced and we will not go away.  With each injustice our numbers grow larger and our voices less silent. We refuse to be viewed by society as expendable penises on legs and demand our personhoods be treated with the same dignity that feminism demands for those of women.</p>
<p>You cannot vilify us into silence, you cannot emasculate us into vanishing. We are here to stay and we will do what feminists have failed to do and had no right to even attempt to do- redefine masculinity. We are here to stay. To all the traditionalists and feminists out there; I have 4 words for you: get used to it!</p>
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		<title>By: darklighteryphon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just so you know I'm not sexist but I have misogyny, but want I say is true I know men get it better in heaven because

1# all the angels are male, there are no female angels and  there never will be.

2# the houri (female jinn) have not free well, their only job is to obey their husband-master even if he says wants to have sex with her.

3# because men are "expendable" in this world so their not in next.

so you see, YHWH(God) made it this way to be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just so you know I&#8217;m not sexist but I have misogyny, but want I say is true I know men get it better in heaven because</p>
<p>1# all the angels are male, there are no female angels and  there never will be.</p>
<p>2# the houri (female jinn) have not free well, their only job is to obey their husband-master even if he says wants to have sex with her.</p>
<p>3# because men are &#8220;expendable&#8221; in this world so their not in next.</p>
<p>so you see, YHWH(God) made it this way to be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: darklighteryphon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>furry thing is beccause men are expependable in this world they get into heaven easier then women, in the only way a women can go to heaven is if she is grateful for men and kind deeds something 99% of women can't do, in heaven one man has the strength of ten men and he never has to do work, you see YHWH(God) said heaven is for men, he never said it was for women, but when the world ends women will become infertile so no more came.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>furry thing is beccause men are expependable in this world they get into heaven easier then women, in the only way a women can go to heaven is if she is grateful for men and kind deeds something 99% of women can&#8217;t do, in heaven one man has the strength of ten men and he never has to do work, you see YHWH(God) said heaven is for men, he never said it was for women, but when the world ends women will become infertile so no more came.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pelle Billing.  Those words are reassuring ( July 17th @ 12:47 pm) and just knowing someone cares &#38; understands is comforting. I have noticed a difference in my attitude with women. I am not bitter towards them, but I do make sure the decisions made by them can not be seen as something I coerced them into making or be even partially blamed for later on. I guess that goes for anyone now. The Experience I am going through has opened my eyes as a man as to how wreckless I have been in past relationships with women. How in the hell did I make it through 17 years of marriage ? Hell how did she make it that long? I guess we are both a little messed up.. Anyway, when the emotional stuff comes up, thats when I notice my fear. But having made the careful decisions previously at every turn, not to let my sex drive run the show during normal playful communication, I have protected myself &#38; can move confidently &#38; in control through the emotional meltdown knowing its not my fault. This just happened today. Incredible how its taking a divorce for me to see this &#38; make changes. But Yes, I left the situation with my balls intact, my integrity &#38; a dose of self respect to boot. I think it may have been better than sex. 
Well I may be a little off track by what I am writing in this blog but what the heck, I noticed the previous posting was Dec 15th.
Yeah Healthy Boundaries. They work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pelle Billing.  Those words are reassuring ( July 17th @ 12:47 pm) and just knowing someone cares &amp; understands is comforting. I have noticed a difference in my attitude with women. I am not bitter towards them, but I do make sure the decisions made by them can not be seen as something I coerced them into making or be even partially blamed for later on. I guess that goes for anyone now. The Experience I am going through has opened my eyes as a man as to how wreckless I have been in past relationships with women. How in the hell did I make it through 17 years of marriage ? Hell how did she make it that long? I guess we are both a little messed up.. Anyway, when the emotional stuff comes up, thats when I notice my fear. But having made the careful decisions previously at every turn, not to let my sex drive run the show during normal playful communication, I have protected myself &amp; can move confidently &amp; in control through the emotional meltdown knowing its not my fault. This just happened today. Incredible how its taking a divorce for me to see this &amp; make changes. But Yes, I left the situation with my balls intact, my integrity &amp; a dose of self respect to boot. I think it may have been better than sex.<br />
Well I may be a little off track by what I am writing in this blog but what the heck, I noticed the previous posting was Dec 15th.<br />
Yeah Healthy Boundaries. They work.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch,

That's quite an ordeal you're going through. But good on you for reclaiming your spine and your balls. You may lose a lot in the process, but you'll get yourself back, and over time your children will respect you for it.

Know that you are part of a large silent movement of men who are reclaiming their integrity and having healthy boundaries with women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite an ordeal you&#8217;re going through. But good on you for reclaiming your spine and your balls. You may lose a lot in the process, but you&#8217;ll get yourself back, and over time your children will respect you for it.</p>
<p>Know that you are part of a large silent movement of men who are reclaiming their integrity and having healthy boundaries with women.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going through my first divorce after being married for almost 17 years. I stayed single until the age of 36. During my single years I was in control of my life and happy. After being married and having children I have seen my control and happiness decrease steadily over the years. I have minor children. After seeing myself slowly turn into a passive spouse in order to keep my marriage together, I finally could not take it any more. The fear of what happens to men in a divorce kept me in my marriage for years even though my wife admittedly had an affair. Naturally I suspect others but wont go into that now. I noticed the children losing respect for me as my wife walked all over me in front of them. ( like asking me what I wanted and doing the opposite.)I thouhgt of my son and how his self image was being affected. I saw how it emboldened my daughter, and thought of how society celebrates women as it degrades men &#38; boys. Just men &#38; boys who are not rich it seems. I noticed this in commercials &#38; on TV shows. 
I have worked full time providing for my family for 17 years while my soon to be ex wife stayed at home early on. Almost all of my spare time has been spent with the kids &#38; family. So much so that I neglected my friends. As the kids got older, both in school, she persued various careers as she wished, trying out Mary K cosmetics, then some college to be a nurse, then applying mhendi at parties some care giving and now house cleaning.  I thought, it must be nice to dabble in part time career choices while being supported, please pick something lucrative so you can help me support this family. I was geting tired of seing her have a full social life while I worked diligently supporting the family by myself. Her money was saved for her personal vacations and trips with friends. 
I finally stood up for myself and now I am facing divorce as a man. I feel like a criminal.
I AM being stripped of my children, my home, my business, my money and lots of time.
I would be a very good single dad &#38; would love nothing more than to have that. My attorney informed me that no court in the land would allow that. You are a man who worked outside the home &#38; she is a woman who stayed at homes, she said.. (actually she was rarely at home even to make dinner which was usually a disaster anyway unless you like various canned goods mixed toghther). My crime is standing up for myself. Standing up against verbal abuse, against never being good enough, against having too small of a house, not providing a car that was good enough, being tired and watching TV, going to bed at 8:30 and leaving her with the task of puting the kids to bed even though I am up at 4:30 for work. 
I understand that its half my fault the marriage did not work. I just dont understand why I have to pay the full penalty for both of us. I would love to have her position in this divorce. I would get the kids, the house the car, &#38; she pays me to stay here while I get rid of her. But its not that way &#38; Wow, I am the one who wanted the divorce. I can just hear her girlfriends &#38; her laughing about it. I bet they pissed thier pants. 
If this is what it takes to break the cycle &#38; have my son see me act like a man &#38; not give in to keep it together, its worth it. I just hope it does not backfire. 
She actually said this is going to be hard for her too. I almost pissed my pants on that one. Well I feel disposable. Not my income, not our bank accounts &#38; investments, etc. Just Me.
If you actually made it through this, please enlighten me on your thoughts. Be Kind or Not. Use them to help me, use them to ridicule, use them to scold, belittle, or uplift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going through my first divorce after being married for almost 17 years. I stayed single until the age of 36. During my single years I was in control of my life and happy. After being married and having children I have seen my control and happiness decrease steadily over the years. I have minor children. After seeing myself slowly turn into a passive spouse in order to keep my marriage together, I finally could not take it any more. The fear of what happens to men in a divorce kept me in my marriage for years even though my wife admittedly had an affair. Naturally I suspect others but wont go into that now. I noticed the children losing respect for me as my wife walked all over me in front of them. ( like asking me what I wanted and doing the opposite.)I thouhgt of my son and how his self image was being affected. I saw how it emboldened my daughter, and thought of how society celebrates women as it degrades men &amp; boys. Just men &amp; boys who are not rich it seems. I noticed this in commercials &amp; on TV shows.<br />
I have worked full time providing for my family for 17 years while my soon to be ex wife stayed at home early on. Almost all of my spare time has been spent with the kids &amp; family. So much so that I neglected my friends. As the kids got older, both in school, she persued various careers as she wished, trying out Mary K cosmetics, then some college to be a nurse, then applying mhendi at parties some care giving and now house cleaning.  I thought, it must be nice to dabble in part time career choices while being supported, please pick something lucrative so you can help me support this family. I was geting tired of seing her have a full social life while I worked diligently supporting the family by myself. Her money was saved for her personal vacations and trips with friends.<br />
I finally stood up for myself and now I am facing divorce as a man. I feel like a criminal.<br />
I AM being stripped of my children, my home, my business, my money and lots of time.<br />
I would be a very good single dad &amp; would love nothing more than to have that. My attorney informed me that no court in the land would allow that. You are a man who worked outside the home &amp; she is a woman who stayed at homes, she said.. (actually she was rarely at home even to make dinner which was usually a disaster anyway unless you like various canned goods mixed toghther). My crime is standing up for myself. Standing up against verbal abuse, against never being good enough, against having too small of a house, not providing a car that was good enough, being tired and watching TV, going to bed at 8:30 and leaving her with the task of puting the kids to bed even though I am up at 4:30 for work.<br />
I understand that its half my fault the marriage did not work. I just dont understand why I have to pay the full penalty for both of us. I would love to have her position in this divorce. I would get the kids, the house the car, &amp; she pays me to stay here while I get rid of her. But its not that way &amp; Wow, I am the one who wanted the divorce. I can just hear her girlfriends &amp; her laughing about it. I bet they pissed thier pants.<br />
If this is what it takes to break the cycle &amp; have my son see me act like a man &amp; not give in to keep it together, its worth it. I just hope it does not backfire.<br />
She actually said this is going to be hard for her too. I almost pissed my pants on that one. Well I feel disposable. Not my income, not our bank accounts &amp; investments, etc. Just Me.<br />
If you actually made it through this, please enlighten me on your thoughts. Be Kind or Not. Use them to help me, use them to ridicule, use them to scold, belittle, or uplift.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Stewart.</description>
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		<title>By: Stewart J. Buechner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart J. Buechner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir, What I read certainly made sence,however my ? was,do men need there own movement on liberation.Times have changed and the laws are not on the side of men!More men are in jail, the laws always take the side of women over men!This is what needs to be looked at more. Then the double standerds that men face are horrible.Both men and women should be the same in every way!We can't even cry in public,tell me that's not a double standerd!When men and women see men do not live on mars and women do not live on venus,that we both live on earth,then side by side work in a 100% fair way,then and only then will our country stop hurting ourselfs! This is w hat GOD would love to see from us. Thank you,Stewart J. Buechner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir, What I read certainly made sence,however my ? was,do men need there own movement on liberation.Times have changed and the laws are not on the side of men!More men are in jail, the laws always take the side of women over men!This is what needs to be looked at more. Then the double standerds that men face are horrible.Both men and women should be the same in every way!We can&#8217;t even cry in public,tell me that&#8217;s not a double standerd!When men and women see men do not live on mars and women do not live on venus,that we both live on earth,then side by side work in a 100% fair way,then and only then will our country stop hurting ourselfs! This is w hat GOD would love to see from us. Thank you,Stewart J. Buechner</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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