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	<title>Comments on: Can We Talk About Rape? - Part One</title>
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	<description>Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism</description>
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		<title>By: E.L.M</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-6524</link>
		<dc:creator>E.L.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another point that must also come into view is that just because a male has an erection, it does not qualify as consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another point that must also come into view is that just because a male has an erection, it does not qualify as consent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I know the show you were talking about. As I remember the minister was Episcopalian, which in US terms makes a label of "Christian US family drama" basically incomprehensible. The Religious Right and the whole Evangelical community consider Anglicans in general and US Episcopalians in particular to be a wing of the Communist Party. I do remember some discussion about the gay son, and his gayness was an intended aspect of his character. The show folded anyway after about three episodes. 

I get the impression form you that the article is a waste of time, so I won't go check it out for the slant you say it displays, just take your word for it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I know the show you were talking about. As I remember the minister was Episcopalian, which in US terms makes a label of &#8220;Christian US family drama&#8221; basically incomprehensible. The Religious Right and the whole Evangelical community consider Anglicans in general and US Episcopalians in particular to be a wing of the Communist Party. I do remember some discussion about the gay son, and his gayness was an intended aspect of his character. The show folded anyway after about three episodes. </p>
<p>I get the impression form you that the article is a waste of time, so I won&#8217;t go check it out for the slant you say it displays, just take your word for it..</p>
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		<title>By: unomi</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>unomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim

That show where the dad is a minister would be a good example. The younger, precocious kid is obviously gay but I think that might be a bit of a no go zone for the script writers.</description>
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<p>That show where the dad is a minister would be a good example. The younger, precocious kid is obviously gay but I think that might be a bit of a no go zone for the script writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In fact, the writer (a Mike Hardcastle) sounds more like a character out of a Christian US family drama, than Angry Womyn For America (TM)."

Part of the problem is that often there is not much daylight between the positions of a certain kind of man-hating AWA and the backward thugs of "Christian US family drama" (what is that, by the way?).  Rape-hysteric lynch mobs were a KKK specialty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, the writer (a Mike Hardcastle) sounds more like a character out of a Christian US family drama, than Angry Womyn For America (TM).&#8221;</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that often there is not much daylight between the positions of a certain kind of man-hating AWA and the backward thugs of &#8220;Christian US family drama&#8221; (what is that, by the way?).  Rape-hysteric lynch mobs were a KKK specialty.</p>
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		<title>By: unomi</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>unomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About.com has nothing to do with feminism and that's my point. You say that "feminists around the world want to make similar legal changes in their countries" but provide no link between the article and feminism. In fact, the writer (a Mike Hardcastle) sounds more like a character out of a Christian US family drama, than Angry Womyn For America (TM).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About.com has nothing to do with feminism and that&#8217;s my point. You say that &#8220;feminists around the world want to make similar legal changes in their countries&#8221; but provide no link between the article and feminism. In fact, the writer (a Mike Hardcastle) sounds more like a character out of a Christian US family drama, than Angry Womyn For America (TM).</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unomi,

If About.com posts something outrageous, then I feel that it's perfectly fine for me to disagree with the stated opinion. About.com is not "any old feminist". Since I quoted and linked to the article, I was also being very specific (answering the question: Who said what when?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unomi,</p>
<p>If About.com posts something outrageous, then I feel that it&#8217;s perfectly fine for me to disagree with the stated opinion. About.com is not &#8220;any old feminist&#8221;. Since I quoted and linked to the article, I was also being very specific (answering the question: Who said what when?).</p>
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		<title>By: unomi</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>unomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to have a profitable discussion, there are a few things we need to establish. Who are these "feminists", what have they said, where and when did they say it, and is there a reasonable chance that what they are saying will be turned into law?

If any old feminist saying anything slightly outrageous will do, it would seem that you are more interested in having a good rant than actually changing how we think about gender. There is nothing new about macho posturing over the evils of feminism, and it's helping no one.

Unfortunately I am unable to find any information on what exactly has happened in New South Wales, Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to have a profitable discussion, there are a few things we need to establish. Who are these &#8220;feminists&#8221;, what have they said, where and when did they say it, and is there a reasonable chance that what they are saying will be turned into law?</p>
<p>If any old feminist saying anything slightly outrageous will do, it would seem that you are more interested in having a good rant than actually changing how we think about gender. There is nothing new about macho posturing over the evils of feminism, and it&#8217;s helping no one.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I am unable to find any information on what exactly has happened in New South Wales, Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bj0rnborg:

"I only meant that gearing erotic media to become more “healthy” feels like a moral opinion. I dont belive in legislation or other artifical limitation based on subjective moral. As for instance the swedish prostitutionlaw."

I agree that we should legislate about pornography, or erotic literature for women. However, I believe that it's still perfectly possible to talk about high quality and low quality literature, and pornography. Obviously such judgments have a strong subjective component, but they're not completely subjective. If they were, people wouln't read book reviews and movie reviews, and no movies or books would be considered to be 'classics'.

Does that make sense?

Pelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bj0rnborg:</p>
<p>&#8220;I only meant that gearing erotic media to become more “healthy” feels like a moral opinion. I dont belive in legislation or other artifical limitation based on subjective moral. As for instance the swedish prostitutionlaw.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that we should legislate about pornography, or erotic literature for women. However, I believe that it&#8217;s still perfectly possible to talk about high quality and low quality literature, and pornography. Obviously such judgments have a strong subjective component, but they&#8217;re not completely subjective. If they were, people wouln&#8217;t read book reviews and movie reviews, and no movies or books would be considered to be &#8216;classics&#8217;.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
<p>Pelle</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unomi:

In NSW, Australia we're dealing with a real law, not only speculation about a coming law.

And more importantly: if feminists are lobbying heavily for changing the law in many countries (and they are), then why should we not be allowed to lobby against this crazy suggestion? You seem to operate from the perspective that we should let feminists show the way, and then only react if something becomes too crazy. But that's not how I operate at all; I believe that the opinions I put forth (and others who go beyond feminism) are much more constructive than feminism, hence I will put them forth without waiting for persmission from feminism and without needing crazy feminist proposals to turn into actual legislation or legal precedents.

Pelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unomi:</p>
<p>In NSW, Australia we&#8217;re dealing with a real law, not only speculation about a coming law.</p>
<p>And more importantly: if feminists are lobbying heavily for changing the law in many countries (and they are), then why should we not be allowed to lobby against this crazy suggestion? You seem to operate from the perspective that we should let feminists show the way, and then only react if something becomes too crazy. But that&#8217;s not how I operate at all; I believe that the opinions I put forth (and others who go beyond feminism) are much more constructive than feminism, hence I will put them forth without waiting for persmission from feminism and without needing crazy feminist proposals to turn into actual legislation or legal precedents.</p>
<p>Pelle</p>
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		<title>By: Bj0rnborg</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/can-we-talk-about-rape-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Bj0rnborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unomi:

Yes it is true that one should not react upon media reports only. 

But speaking theoretically, IF the consequence of the law is as feared and men and women will be treated diffrently under the law, this is wrong. Can we agree on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unomi:</p>
<p>Yes it is true that one should not react upon media reports only. </p>
<p>But speaking theoretically, IF the consequence of the law is as feared and men and women will be treated diffrently under the law, this is wrong. Can we agree on that?</p>
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