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	<title>Comments on: Women’s Liberation vs Black Slavery</title>
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	<description>Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/02/women%e2%80%99s-liberation-vs-black-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other. "

Chivalry assumed the moral superiority of women and the superior value of women's lives and safety. With specific reference to the South, and if we are discussing black slavery that should be obvious, white women were and have always been considered superior to white men and all blacks in every way. It's called the cult of southern womanhood. It's a form of pedestal privilege.

Women's role in a system of chivalry was a form of pity whoring. The modern form of this is the odious formulation "women and people of color" as if white women have any right at all to piggyback on the oppression non-whites have suffered. you'll notice that feminists hardly ever balk at this form of chivalry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other. &#8221;</p>
<p>Chivalry assumed the moral superiority of women and the superior value of women&#8217;s lives and safety. With specific reference to the South, and if we are discussing black slavery that should be obvious, white women were and have always been considered superior to white men and all blacks in every way. It&#8217;s called the cult of southern womanhood. It&#8217;s a form of pedestal privilege.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s role in a system of chivalry was a form of pity whoring. The modern form of this is the odious formulation &#8220;women and people of color&#8221; as if white women have any right at all to piggyback on the oppression non-whites have suffered. you&#8217;ll notice that feminists hardly ever balk at this form of chivalry.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen:

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the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other
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If men are generally regarded as superior to women and worth more, then why does society put such a premium on the safety of women and such a discount on the safety of men (men constitute over 90% of all workplace fatalities, 4 out of 5 suicide victims are men, 3 out of 4 murder victims are men, ...)?

I think you are the one being one dimensional here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen:</p>
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the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other
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<p>If men are generally regarded as superior to women and worth more, then why does society put such a premium on the safety of women and such a discount on the safety of men (men constitute over 90% of all workplace fatalities, 4 out of 5 suicide victims are men, 3 out of 4 murder victims are men, &#8230;)?</p>
<p>I think you are the one being one dimensional here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

You say that my logic is one-dimensional, but you yourself offer no logic as to why women are worse off than men.

I'm still waiting for a feminist to explain to me why women are worse off than men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>You say that my logic is one-dimensional, but you yourself offer no logic as to why women are worse off than men.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for a feminist to explain to me why women are worse off than men.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison between women and slaves is not based on the idea that women performed similar tasks to slaves, nor is the implication that women has suffered as much as slaves.  The comparison is not meant to say that the two positions are the same, but they operate on the same principle: the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other.  To compare the actual tasks of women and slaves is completely irrelevant; your logic is very one-dimensional.  As Fuller said in her paper, "The Great Lawsuit:" "such divisions are only important when they are never to be transcended."  It is certainly a more benevolent form of bondage, but bondage all the same.  Also from the same paper: "But our doubt is whether the heart consents with the head, or only acquiesces in its decree; and it is to ascertain the truth on this point, that we propose liberating measures."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison between women and slaves is not based on the idea that women performed similar tasks to slaves, nor is the implication that women has suffered as much as slaves.  The comparison is not meant to say that the two positions are the same, but they operate on the same principle: the assumption of inherent superiority of one group over the other.  To compare the actual tasks of women and slaves is completely irrelevant; your logic is very one-dimensional.  As Fuller said in her paper, &#8220;The Great Lawsuit:&#8221; &#8220;such divisions are only important when they are never to be transcended.&#8221;  It is certainly a more benevolent form of bondage, but bondage all the same.  Also from the same paper: &#8220;But our doubt is whether the heart consents with the head, or only acquiesces in its decree; and it is to ascertain the truth on this point, that we propose liberating measures.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher K Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher K Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a African American male, age 27.

My mother puts her life first. She is not oppressed. The only generalize assumption is that I lie, steal, or think I am smarter than I really could be. 

I meet white women, who have every right that this world can offer. They constantly place themselves in the victim position and profit from it in a social setting. I call it pulling the vajayjay card.

I love the pursuit of knowledge and enjoy debating with others, but the fact is my people are being eradicated, not oppressed, I just want to make that clear. I truly do understand the struggle of the american woman, but cops don't shoot american women in broad daylight while the whole of the country sees this as an improvement, or at least you are supposed to if you are truly american. 

There have been queens of great nations for generations, their word is final. In this country yes, insecure biggoted (forgive spelling) males have passed laws and practice social supremacist methods proliferated by media, circles of friends, and educational preconceptions forced on to males while pursuing degrees and positions of power, and lastly just plain fear. To make matters worse black males have extreme self esteem issues with being unable to control and oppress women in the same fashion they have seen women seek this out in white males. I understand from theory what your getting at, but on so many levels, daddy's (america) little girl wants more and no uppity nigger is gonna stand in her way. (palin vs obama) 

While I attend community colleges this attitude has been stressed by so many white girls that I have come across, have verbally disrespected or attempt to discredit anything statement out of my mouth warranted only by my ability to speak with an aspiring air of articulation. Forgive me but people refuse to respect any enthusiasm or statements I make cause i'm not out on their daddy's plantation tossing watermelons around, if I can make it to the end of the field, I can be free for a day, while my master, he and his neighbors place bets on which nigger is the fastest or wants master's admiration more than the others. (N F L) Note Rush Limbaugh recently attempted to buy a team. While stars of sports make 1% of what the people paying them do. 

Steve Urkel and Carlton is what you are when you can outsmart anyone who came from a two parent household. 

Changing the subject and spin artist define this culture currently, I would advise all to abandon that future as progress hangs in the balance.

If you are not angry, you are not paying attention. If you are educated you are conditioned to ignore the truth. This only applies to america.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a African American male, age 27.</p>
<p>My mother puts her life first. She is not oppressed. The only generalize assumption is that I lie, steal, or think I am smarter than I really could be. </p>
<p>I meet white women, who have every right that this world can offer. They constantly place themselves in the victim position and profit from it in a social setting. I call it pulling the vajayjay card.</p>
<p>I love the pursuit of knowledge and enjoy debating with others, but the fact is my people are being eradicated, not oppressed, I just want to make that clear. I truly do understand the struggle of the american woman, but cops don&#8217;t shoot american women in broad daylight while the whole of the country sees this as an improvement, or at least you are supposed to if you are truly american. </p>
<p>There have been queens of great nations for generations, their word is final. In this country yes, insecure biggoted (forgive spelling) males have passed laws and practice social supremacist methods proliferated by media, circles of friends, and educational preconceptions forced on to males while pursuing degrees and positions of power, and lastly just plain fear. To make matters worse black males have extreme self esteem issues with being unable to control and oppress women in the same fashion they have seen women seek this out in white males. I understand from theory what your getting at, but on so many levels, daddy&#8217;s (america) little girl wants more and no uppity nigger is gonna stand in her way. (palin vs obama) </p>
<p>While I attend community colleges this attitude has been stressed by so many white girls that I have come across, have verbally disrespected or attempt to discredit anything statement out of my mouth warranted only by my ability to speak with an aspiring air of articulation. Forgive me but people refuse to respect any enthusiasm or statements I make cause i&#8217;m not out on their daddy&#8217;s plantation tossing watermelons around, if I can make it to the end of the field, I can be free for a day, while my master, he and his neighbors place bets on which nigger is the fastest or wants master&#8217;s admiration more than the others. (N F L) Note Rush Limbaugh recently attempted to buy a team. While stars of sports make 1% of what the people paying them do. </p>
<p>Steve Urkel and Carlton is what you are when you can outsmart anyone who came from a two parent household. </p>
<p>Changing the subject and spin artist define this culture currently, I would advise all to abandon that future as progress hangs in the balance.</p>
<p>If you are not angry, you are not paying attention. If you are educated you are conditioned to ignore the truth. This only applies to america.</p>
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		<title>By: hampus</title>
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		<dc:creator>hampus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eivind:

'Maybe take even these subtlest of movements of the reader’s consciousness into consideration.'

Why? A certain degreee of selfcritisicm is well expected. Nothing else, above all not when regarding feminist arguments.

hampus, not at all agreeing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eivind:</p>
<p>&#8216;Maybe take even these subtlest of movements of the reader’s consciousness into consideration.&#8217;</p>
<p>Why? A certain degreee of selfcritisicm is well expected. Nothing else, above all not when regarding feminist arguments.</p>
<p>hampus, not at all agreeing</p>
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		<title>By: Bj0rnborg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bj0rnborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a better word than patriarchy. Still a neologism originating from a feminist thinker though, I feel I need to see it used in context before I decide if it is useful for me. 
For instance, The post-structural feministic term Intersectionality, though at first prominsing, soon got corrupted by radical feministic thinking. It seems that post structural feminists just isnt as strong as established feminism, and they have to compromise alot. Too much. Just to mention an exampel of how useful words gets biased and impossible to use.
I wonder if kyriarchy will fare the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a better word than patriarchy. Still a neologism originating from a feminist thinker though, I feel I need to see it used in context before I decide if it is useful for me.<br />
For instance, The post-structural feministic term Intersectionality, though at first prominsing, soon got corrupted by radical feministic thinking. It seems that post structural feminists just isnt as strong as established feminism, and they have to compromise alot. Too much. Just to mention an exampel of how useful words gets biased and impossible to use.<br />
I wonder if kyriarchy will fare the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Schala,

Thanks for letting me know about kyriarchy. It's an interesting word, and yes, I do think it's better than patriarchy, since it acknowledges that oppression is more complex than the standard view of oppression.

In a way, I guess that my work is about demonstrating that men don't oppress women; the role of men is not above the role of women in a kyriarchy. You can oppress a minority, but you cannot oppress half the human population.

Pelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Schala,</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me know about kyriarchy. It&#8217;s an interesting word, and yes, I do think it&#8217;s better than patriarchy, since it acknowledges that oppression is more complex than the standard view of oppression.</p>
<p>In a way, I guess that my work is about demonstrating that men don&#8217;t oppress women; the role of men is not above the role of women in a kyriarchy. You can oppress a minority, but you cannot oppress half the human population.</p>
<p>Pelle</p>
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		<title>By: Schala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative term I've seen thrown around feminist blogs, that doesn't connotate maleness with oppression is kyriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative term I&#8217;ve seen thrown around feminist blogs, that doesn&#8217;t connotate maleness with oppression is kyriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bj0rnborg,

I agree. In fact, I only use the word patriarchy when I'm outlining what I believe to be an accurate description of patriarchy (which is a world apart from the feminist description of patriarchy).

I also agree that feminism dominates the gender debate almost completely. It was because of this that I chose to call this blog Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism. Since feminism is so dominant, and since feminist rhetoric only leads to everyone walking in circles, we need to break free and move beyond (above) feminism. From that position we can both criticize feminism, and just as importantly: start fleshing out new, more constructive ideas.

I'm enjoying your perceptive comments!

Pelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bj0rnborg,</p>
<p>I agree. In fact, I only use the word patriarchy when I&#8217;m outlining what I believe to be an accurate description of patriarchy (which is a world apart from the feminist description of patriarchy).</p>
<p>I also agree that feminism dominates the gender debate almost completely. It was because of this that I chose to call this blog Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism. Since feminism is so dominant, and since feminist rhetoric only leads to everyone walking in circles, we need to break free and move beyond (above) feminism. From that position we can both criticize feminism, and just as importantly: start fleshing out new, more constructive ideas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m enjoying your perceptive comments!</p>
<p>Pelle</p>
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