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	<title>Comments on: Men’s Reactions Towards Feminism</title>
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		<title>By: T. Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/03/men%e2%80%99s-reactions-towards-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-7035</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about, men face plenty of legal challenges that favor women.

Legally a male rape victim has far less power than the traditional female rape victim

 The same goes for abuse,education,divorce,and even affirmative action

Also it's impossible to "go out and do it" and not "blame women" when every time you try to correct the falsehood,you aren't taken seriously. And lets face it women are to blame to some extent as are other men. Or are you trying to say women are innocent,actionless people? Plenty of events say otherwise

And no men do not have more power to overcome them because frankly they aren't taken seriously enough at anything because of people with your attitude.

I will not deny that there are some MR groups that have become everything they tried to fight against,however there are still some that aren't like that.

There is nothing more naive than to spout stuff like "Oh men aren't legally discriminated" or "Oh men right's just blame women and aren't trying". They are,but the movement isn't as massive so the effect is not so strong

You are right that people must learn to behave differently or become the monster they tried to slay.However the feminist movement has at this point not encouraged that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about, men face plenty of legal challenges that favor women.</p>
<p>Legally a male rape victim has far less power than the traditional female rape victim</p>
<p> The same goes for abuse,education,divorce,and even affirmative action</p>
<p>Also it&#8217;s impossible to &#8220;go out and do it&#8221; and not &#8220;blame women&#8221; when every time you try to correct the falsehood,you aren&#8217;t taken seriously. And lets face it women are to blame to some extent as are other men. Or are you trying to say women are innocent,actionless people? Plenty of events say otherwise</p>
<p>And no men do not have more power to overcome them because frankly they aren&#8217;t taken seriously enough at anything because of people with your attitude.</p>
<p>I will not deny that there are some MR groups that have become everything they tried to fight against,however there are still some that aren&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>There is nothing more naive than to spout stuff like &#8220;Oh men aren&#8217;t legally discriminated&#8221; or &#8220;Oh men right&#8217;s just blame women and aren&#8217;t trying&#8221;. They are,but the movement isn&#8217;t as massive so the effect is not so strong</p>
<p>You are right that people must learn to behave differently or become the monster they tried to slay.However the feminist movement has at this point not encouraged that.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem with getting any sympathy form most women over men's problems is that men have always had more power to solve their problems than women. Whereas women have always had both legal and societal pressures against them (&#38; yes, there have always been women who were against the women's movement, too (which I count as seriously starting in the 19th century, even if it got occasionally interrupted)), men have only had societal pressures - where they had at least, if not more, power than women to overcome them. Don't want to go to war, but you're a man, so you're forced to? Well, then, don't declare war (Yes, I am being simplistic for the sake of brevity - but we must all acknowledge that men have historically had the power of declaring war/peace, not women). The same goes for more immediate/personal issues. Don't want to be the bread-winner, but the stay-at-home parent? Well, what's stopping you? Only societal pressure - &#38; the fact that women still don't earn as much as men, on average (yes, I know in specific circumstances women out earn men slightly - this has been overblown to try to show that "feminists complain too much"). I could go on, but I think these 2 examples cover at least the ends of the spectrum, &#38; can be filled in from there.

The tone I get from "men's rights" groups is at best whiny, and at worst, frightening. Men have been historically trained to use their power on others, not themselves; they should take a page from the women's movement &#38; start "conscious raising". Ask themselves what they really want, &#38; then go out &#38; do it, rather than blaming women for doing the same. Yes, I fully realize that some women have turned the women's movement into a "blame men", but rather than attack all women, why not just correct the falsehood? Women had to learn to behave differently in order to better themselves; men will, too, or they will be trapped in the same prison, which has been historically disguised with male privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem with getting any sympathy form most women over men&#8217;s problems is that men have always had more power to solve their problems than women. Whereas women have always had both legal and societal pressures against them (&amp; yes, there have always been women who were against the women&#8217;s movement, too (which I count as seriously starting in the 19th century, even if it got occasionally interrupted)), men have only had societal pressures - where they had at least, if not more, power than women to overcome them. Don&#8217;t want to go to war, but you&#8217;re a man, so you&#8217;re forced to? Well, then, don&#8217;t declare war (Yes, I am being simplistic for the sake of brevity - but we must all acknowledge that men have historically had the power of declaring war/peace, not women). The same goes for more immediate/personal issues. Don&#8217;t want to be the bread-winner, but the stay-at-home parent? Well, what&#8217;s stopping you? Only societal pressure - &amp; the fact that women still don&#8217;t earn as much as men, on average (yes, I know in specific circumstances women out earn men slightly - this has been overblown to try to show that &#8220;feminists complain too much&#8221;). I could go on, but I think these 2 examples cover at least the ends of the spectrum, &amp; can be filled in from there.</p>
<p>The tone I get from &#8220;men&#8217;s rights&#8221; groups is at best whiny, and at worst, frightening. Men have been historically trained to use their power on others, not themselves; they should take a page from the women&#8217;s movement &amp; start &#8220;conscious raising&#8221;. Ask themselves what they really want, &amp; then go out &amp; do it, rather than blaming women for doing the same. Yes, I fully realize that some women have turned the women&#8217;s movement into a &#8220;blame men&#8221;, but rather than attack all women, why not just correct the falsehood? Women had to learn to behave differently in order to better themselves; men will, too, or they will be trapped in the same prison, which has been historically disguised with male privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/03/men%e2%80%99s-reactions-towards-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B,

Never buy a woman a drink! Unless she's your buddy or your sexual partner.

If you don't buy a strange man a drink then why a strange woman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B,</p>
<p>Never buy a woman a drink! Unless she&#8217;s your buddy or your sexual partner.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t buy a strange man a drink then why a strange woman?</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that I relate to #5 on the list.  I bought a drink for a girl the other night and was talking to her for a while.  Sorry she asked me to buy her a drink and like a fool I did so and then she gets a phone call from who.  Take a guess.  Her boyfriend.  I wanted to strangle her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that I relate to #5 on the list.  I bought a drink for a girl the other night and was talking to her for a while.  Sorry she asked me to buy her a drink and like a fool I did so and then she gets a phone call from who.  Take a guess.  Her boyfriend.  I wanted to strangle her.</p>
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		<title>By: Time_before</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time_before</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 00:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we go to far and not look at the positive and reflect. There are some pretty ourageous claims on the men's side here. The women folk have theirs. So let is find common ground and seek debate not stone throwing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we go to far and not look at the positive and reflect. There are some pretty ourageous claims on the men&#8217;s side here. The women folk have theirs. So let is find common ground and seek debate not stone throwing.</p>
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		<title>By: Misandry hits NY</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/03/men%e2%80%99s-reactions-towards-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator>Misandry hits NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you Alex for letting us know about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you Alex for letting us know about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Inte bara i Sverige&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inte bara i Sverige&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] En av mina bloggläsare på min engelska blogg skriver att han sett den här typen av bilder på barnsektionen på sitt bibliotek, när han var där med [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] En av mina bloggläsare på min engelska blogg skriver att han sett den här typen av bilder på barnsektionen på sitt bibliotek, när han var där med [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/03/men%e2%80%99s-reactions-towards-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to post some of the images on my Swedish blog, to let people know what's going on in NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to post some of the images on my Swedish blog, to let people know what&#8217;s going on in NY.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexNY</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend in Brazil who is interested in how US libraries work, and the staff at my library were kind enough to let me take some pictures.  Looking over my pictures, I can see the horrifying domestic violence campaign displayed in the toddler movie section, next to the fish tank.

I cannot imagine that the target of the campaign has anything to do with prevention of violence.  There are no posters in the adult sections of the library.  The purpose is to destroy the masculin identities of young children, in preparation for a lifetime of re-education and double think that would make the propaganda minister of North Korea pround.

This is revolting.  How can feminists target young children in their vile war on men?

I have to go outside and get some air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend in Brazil who is interested in how US libraries work, and the staff at my library were kind enough to let me take some pictures.  Looking over my pictures, I can see the horrifying domestic violence campaign displayed in the toddler movie section, next to the fish tank.</p>
<p>I cannot imagine that the target of the campaign has anything to do with prevention of violence.  There are no posters in the adult sections of the library.  The purpose is to destroy the masculin identities of young children, in preparation for a lifetime of re-education and double think that would make the propaganda minister of North Korea pround.</p>
<p>This is revolting.  How can feminists target young children in their vile war on men?</p>
<p>I have to go outside and get some air.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found some of the images online. Horrible stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found some of the images online. Horrible stuff.</p>
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