Yeah, I’m thinking that there are a number of historical and present day factors to overcome.

1. The huge problems with the male gender role (expendability, etc) have yet to gain mainstream recognition, and hence most people don’t realize that there are any issues with the male gender role.
2. Feminism has added an extra layer of guilt and shame that men now (unconsciously) carry.
3. Feminism has disempowered women by emphasizing their victimhood.
4. We don’t know how to reconcile the nature vs nurture debate.
5. Men don’t have a language for expressing what it’s like to be a man. Men have yet to “find their voice”. (Bj0rnborg is deeply interested in this issue)

Even beginning to sort these factors out, and talking about them is a huge step forward. Every man that breaks the silence and stands up for what he has seen and experienced changes reality forever.

Pelle

1. Unexamined women’s advocacy. It is good and necessary to advocate for women. it is counter-productive to advocate for women in watys the 1) entrench gender stereotypes (Victimhood Feminism) or that 2) base themselves on gender stereotypes (women as frail, oppressed little creatures, women as passive recipients of others’ actions, always finding a way to excuse women’s wrong actions on the basis of some outside condition, etc).

2. Gender bigotry:
a. “Men start all wars and are responsible for all war.”
b. “Women are naturally more nurtutring and have a better claim to raise
children.”

@Bj0rnborg: I agree.

@Michael: Thanks for your support.

Are you thinking about any specific fixes? If so, then I’d love to hear you share some of those.

Yes, Jefferson definitely promised more than he delivered as an historical figure. But I was simply using him as an example of a well known “enlightened” personality more or less at the leading edge of political/social consciousness for his period.

No quarrel.
Mark

…his execution lagged far, far behind. He never provided for freeing his slaves, among many other things inconsisten with his vision. Nonetheless in hs case it ’s the vision that has had the impact and the execution that has passed into nothingness.

People love their slaveries and they often hold back, if not destroy, those who want real freedom.

(Just testing your familiarity with archaic English subjunctives and conditionals.)
Your vision seems based on the 18th century enlightenment model: the extension of fundamental rights in ever expanding circles of inclusion. But Thomas Jefferson, let us say, would have had trouble understanding that his ideal society would in truth have restricted him from a true gender freedom. That is, he had no idea that women might somehow have freedoms that he might wish for.

And that’s the rub. As advanced as Jefferson’s modern view was, there are many many people still at levels less advanced than his - and we all have to go through those less developed stages to get to where he was, let alone beyond to the post and post modern stages described in your vision.

Such a vision is a great luxury that few can grasp. But such are the only visions I’m interested in.

Keep writing,
Mark

The next step is to identify the porcesses and structures that keep this vison form becoming real. We may find that a lot of the fixes we have put in place are working against this.