Comments on: Challenges for Men

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:16:32 +0000

“give them as many orgasms as they need from us ”

Do you advocate that they have some similar obligation to give men however many orgasms we need? I dare you to find ten that would even know what you were talking about if you asked that one.

“move to listen more to them and cease our effort to dominate them”

When they stop dominating the home and our children, we may have something to talk about. In fact how much of men’s misogyny is learned in early life when boys are totally dominated by the women above them, in the almost complete absence of men?

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:12:22 +0000

“and that is how to understand and communicate affectively with women.”

No…just no. Women are not the center of the world. Go buy a whore and come back to the discussion when your mind is clear.

Men’s biggest issue is how to communicate on ALL levels and in ALL levels with other men, and thus themsleves. Women come next if at all. But before that someone has to demonstrate some purpose in making the effort.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:09:20 +0000

“Emotional literacy. How can this be developed in men? Biologically speaking we may have a somewhat harder time to become emotionally literate,”

Literally literacy is part of the answer. There is an extensive, millenia-old literature on men’s emotional life - the Iliad, the Oddessy, the Epic of Gilgamesh. parts of the Bible, centuries and centuries of Chinese poetry - to what extent is that tught in schools, and to what extent has it been marginalized in favor of other literatures?

I seriously doubt that men are somehow biologically slower in coming to terms with our emotional natures. We’ll never know; in any case the sample is always spoiled by enculturation by the time you run the test.

By: Danny

Danny — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:39:49 +0000

While partnership is the ideal way Joe I have to ask:
We continue to push the notion that women are the weaker vessel - despite the reality that she conceives the child we create someting I’m sure we - as men- could not muster.

What makes you so sure of this? This is putting women on a pedastal based on a biological impossibility. Men are unable to bear children but instead of leaving it at that there those with this same mentality you display here that will go on and assume that men cannot handle childbirth therefore that somehow makes women better. Now I’m not trying to say that women are weak if anything thing childbearing shows a woman’s strength but to take that and leap to using men’s inability to bear children as “proof” of weakness is just that, a leap.

While it appears your heart is in the right place Joe this sounds like the belief (that I’ve heard a few times before) that helping women is the only way to fix the world. Its an important part but its not the only part.

By: Joe Grier

Joe Grier — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:57:30 +0000

These points are extremely on point and there should be curriculums set up at universities to develop dialogue and discover additional loop holes in the definition of men - because it has surely changed in the last century - drastically. I think what Pelle leaves out is the most important thing that troubles men - and that is how to understand and communicate affectively with women. It is simply one of the most fundamental reasons we have some of the other issues that these points address, because our balance in the way we communicate and partner with women - GLOBALLY - has not been settled. Our competitive nature causes us to continue to publish bibles that have masculine overtones and images that support the point that men are the head of the household. We continue to push the notion that women are the weaker vessel - despite the reality that she conceives the child we create someting I’m sure we - as men- could not muster. Global cultures have continued to think that women dominance is the answer to what - to a type of compliance from women that feed our egos and starvation to be at the top of the food chain? How ignorant of us. Until we truly established a partnership with our women - work to understand them - pay them equal wages - give them as many orgasms as they need from us - cook for them when they get home - make better choices when chosing the ones that will become the mothers of our children - stop putting our hands on them like they are cattle - move to listen more to them and cease our effort to dominate them - create ways to encourage and love them unconditionally - most of the items if not all will cease to exist…………..I promise.