Total agreement. The situation is a fucking disgrace. That may sound contradictory to what I said before, but what i mean and meant was that there should be police protection for all citizens, but that a citizen ultimately has the responsibility for his or her own protection. Police and the state can help, but that’s never more than help. It’s ultimately not their responsibility.

“The fact that they don’t says a lot about how much (or little) sway feminists really hold over policy makers in America.”

No. The rule of law is not something feminism gives one shit about - the statements and advocacy and legislative lobbying by feminist groups over the years in the US prove that - rape shield laws, biased child custody judgments, etc. In fact the rule of law is a completely patriarchal invention. Considering the hay some feminist groups are making off this incident, they seem to be benefiting a lot more from Dr. Tiller’s death than from his work.

So feminists don’t have power over American policy makers and men “as a class” sure as hell don’t have power over American policy makers. Then who does?

Can you imagine any other group of people being targeted by violent, religious extremists and then being met with this kind of indifference from their government? In the same country that used tax payers’ money to interrogate Arab exchange students over unpaid parking tickets, just to protect its people from militant extremists…

No, you are confused. my point obviously was that, afraid or not, women have the same duty, if there is such a thing, to becoem abortion doctors as men do, agin, if sucha duty exists. Physical cowardice in a woman is just as contemptible as in a man, and women (justly) complaining of the lack of abortion should get up off their lazy asses and become abortion doctors instead of apparently assuming it’s always someone else’s job to do it.

“Meanwhile, it’s harder to get an abortion in many parts of the US today than it was thirty years ago. This despite “the right to choose” quite possibly being the single biggest issue feminists have ever fought for.”

Single biggest issue? Then why have they done so little of any real substance, i.e. trained as doctors and begun providing those services. They may very well fear for their physical safety; well, women can ahndle guns every bit as well as men can. Again, why is it some man’s job to provide for their physical safety?

I really grow tired of feminists crying foul and victim in one breath and announcing their strength in the next, switching back and forth depending on which will benefit them more at the moment.

I could make a list of all the bad things feminists are responsible for, and how powerful they are, according to this blog.
I’d really like for you to make that list of things we say feminism is responsible for. We’ve commented on how feminists have ignored issues, tried to speak on behalf of male victims while silencing them when they try to speak up for themselves, minimize female violence but I don’t recall saying that feminists created the issues they ignore, are the ones that victimize the male victims they silence, or caused the female violence they try to justify and minimize.

…, and the people on this blog would do well to go “beyond feminism”, as the title of this website suggests.
This is just a cheapshot. Unomi you can’t bear the thought of someone not embracing feminism therefore you conclude that they must be the enemy. The people are ready and willing to acknowledge the rights AND the wrongs of feminism. Can you do the same?

I’ve never said that. I’ve said that feminism ideology has had an impact on American schools, and I’ve backed that up with relevant sources.

Feminism as a political movement in the US is completely marginalised

Really? Is that why Obama has created a council on women and girls, while reciting the following feminist mantras:

“But at the same time, when women still earn just 78 cents for every dollar men make, when one in four women still experiences domestic violence in their lifetimes, when women are more than half of our population but just 17% of our Congress, when women are 49% of the workforce but only 3% of our fortune 500 CEOs, when these inequalities stubbornly persist in this country in this century then I think we need to ask ourselves some hard question and we need to take a hard look at where were falling short and who were leaving out and what that means for the prosperity and the vitality of our nation.”

And this is what the leader of the council (Valerie Jarrett) said:
“The council is going to examine all the programs at the federal level that touch on women and girls and we’re going to work to coordinate and make sure that each of those programs is doing everything that it could do to help support women and girls,”

Something that people often forget about the US is that they almost have *more* feminist organizations and government programs than the Scandinavian countries, who are famous for their feminism.

Neither did I. Again: “If this is how one of the largest retailers in the US choose to portray women on TV, it would certainly seem to contradict your theory of feminism as a hugely powerful force in modern culture.”

@ Jim
Where are all the female abortion doctors? Is it always a man’s job to satisfy a women’s every need?

This is just confused. The female doctors are presumably afraid of getting killed too.

@ Pelle

I also fail to see the connection to a murdered doctor.

I could make a list of all the bad things feminists are responsible for, and how powerful they are, according to this blog. Feminist teachers in the US telling boys they are bad people strikes me as one of the more memorable claims. Meanwhile, it’s harder to get an abortion in many parts of the US today than it was thirty years ago. This despite “the right to choose” quite possibly being the single biggest issue feminists have ever fought for.

Feminism as a political movement in the US is completely marginalised, and the people on this blog would do well to go “beyond feminism”, as the title of this website suggests.

Maybe if they got their feet down out of the air and grew a set of balls so they could face down those hags in front of the clinics, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Damn. Thing is they have ovaries of their own but you do have a point.

So there are no women who can do this procedure? Where are all the female abortion doctors? Is it always a man’s job to satisfy a women’s every need?

And why are the picketers in front of these clinics overwhelmingly other women? There is a simple answer to this - abortion is only a piece of this culture war - it goes back to de-segregation and the sexual revolution and all that social upheaval and maddog last-ditch resistance to it - totally retrograde. but we know why they get away with it; it wouldn’t be right to beat a bunch of the fairer sex into a bloody pulp on the pavement.

“This issue affects men too but women are the real victims.”

No shit. A man is dead, but once again, women are the real victims. Maybe if they got their feet down out of the air and grew a set of balls so they could face down those hags in front of the clinics, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

As Danny has already said twice: I never said that feminism was to blame for this ad.

I also fail to see the connection to a murdered doctor. Even if feminism is powerful, there are other influential forces too of course - I’ve never claimed otherwise. Progressive forces are certainly needed, and a truly progressive gender liberation movement would be one that goes beyond feminism and takes a much wider perspective of gender roles.

You seem to ascribe me lots of opinions that I don’t have Unomi - why is that? Do you feel a need for feminist critics to be backward striving dimwits?