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		<title>By: jhan6120</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/06/how-feminism-hurts-women/comment-page-1/#comment-8723</link>
		<dc:creator>jhan6120</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this: let's scrap feminism, gender studies, cultural studies, and all that crap and go by rule #1 of economics:

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. 

The problem with second and third wave feminism is that it obliterated first wave feminism's message of indivualism and self-determination. Since the 1960's, ideological feminism has been run largely by neo-marxists and post-modern academics who strive not to empower women under the system we currently have, but to replace that system with collectivism and big government. 

Go hang out on any university campus and tell me if you hear any differently. Go ahead . . . I'm waiting . . .

Along with this, the media has fed women a 'You can have it all' mentality that has left them high and dry. "YES!! You can have the great 'career' (men call them JOBS), a family when and if you want it, unrestrained sexual freedom, men who are 'sensitive' and yet 'manly' (at appropriate times), and a general feeling of wellbeing made-to-order. And guess what: if you don't have all those things, IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT!!"

Men, on the other hand, were never fed this pie-in-the-sky dream. For us, it's go to school, go to work, have a good sandwich occasionally, work some more, and then die. Pretty simple, right? That's why we're happier. 

I take public transportation to work every day, and over the past few years, I've noticed something: the women look MISERABLE. They are scowling, wretched creatures. And don't give me the 'Well, if you had to work AND take care of kids' routine either. I LOOK to see if there are rings on these womens' fingers. and on most of them, there aren't. The truth - the REAL truth - is that they're unhappy because they HAVE TO WORK. You see . . . what most of these women wanted was the OPTION to work; they didn't want to HAVE TO GO TO WORK like us men. And now their all like "What the fuck, dude? How did this happen?"

Feminism taught women that there's 120% of a pie out there. Well, there ISN'T!! You make a choice HERE, you give up something THERE. You do this thing over here, you sacrifice that thing over there. There are no grand 'solutions' in life, only trade-offs. Second and third wave feminism is all about ENTITLEMENT. Reality teaches us that no one is entitled to SHIT except death and taxes. 

Once women toss out the pie-in-the-sky bullshit of contemporary feminism, they'll be OK. Beyond that . . . see you at work, ladies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this: let&#8217;s scrap feminism, gender studies, cultural studies, and all that crap and go by rule #1 of economics:</p>
<p>THERE&#8217;S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. </p>
<p>The problem with second and third wave feminism is that it obliterated first wave feminism&#8217;s message of indivualism and self-determination. Since the 1960&#8217;s, ideological feminism has been run largely by neo-marxists and post-modern academics who strive not to empower women under the system we currently have, but to replace that system with collectivism and big government. </p>
<p>Go hang out on any university campus and tell me if you hear any differently. Go ahead . . . I&#8217;m waiting . . .</p>
<p>Along with this, the media has fed women a &#8216;You can have it all&#8217; mentality that has left them high and dry. &#8220;YES!! You can have the great &#8216;career&#8217; (men call them JOBS), a family when and if you want it, unrestrained sexual freedom, men who are &#8217;sensitive&#8217; and yet &#8216;manly&#8217; (at appropriate times), and a general feeling of wellbeing made-to-order. And guess what: if you don&#8217;t have all those things, IT&#8217;S EVERYONE ELSE&#8217;S FAULT!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Men, on the other hand, were never fed this pie-in-the-sky dream. For us, it&#8217;s go to school, go to work, have a good sandwich occasionally, work some more, and then die. Pretty simple, right? That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re happier. </p>
<p>I take public transportation to work every day, and over the past few years, I&#8217;ve noticed something: the women look MISERABLE. They are scowling, wretched creatures. And don&#8217;t give me the &#8216;Well, if you had to work AND take care of kids&#8217; routine either. I LOOK to see if there are rings on these womens&#8217; fingers. and on most of them, there aren&#8217;t. The truth - the REAL truth - is that they&#8217;re unhappy because they HAVE TO WORK. You see . . . what most of these women wanted was the OPTION to work; they didn&#8217;t want to HAVE TO GO TO WORK like us men. And now their all like &#8220;What the fuck, dude? How did this happen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Feminism taught women that there&#8217;s 120% of a pie out there. Well, there ISN&#8217;T!! You make a choice HERE, you give up something THERE. You do this thing over here, you sacrifice that thing over there. There are no grand &#8217;solutions&#8217; in life, only trade-offs. Second and third wave feminism is all about ENTITLEMENT. Reality teaches us that no one is entitled to SHIT except death and taxes. </p>
<p>Once women toss out the pie-in-the-sky bullshit of contemporary feminism, they&#8217;ll be OK. Beyond that . . . see you at work, ladies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/06/how-feminism-hurts-women/comment-page-1/#comment-8722</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one definition of feminism, which in my opinion (and many other women's) is the wrong one. Yes, feminism is about women gaining power, but it's also about equalization of the genders. When women become men-hating, sexist and bitter, this is called Female Supremacy. It's a really destructive attitude and comes from being misguided. However, this is not the attitude that all feminists have. Most are clued in enough to know that women cannot survive without men and vice versa, biologically we need each other so it makes sense to appreciate each other's qualities and live harmoniously. 

Also, how are women taught not to be afraid of rape? Women are taught self-defense and not to be submissive, i.e. to tap into their own sense of self-empowerment. However, your argument makes it sound like the issue of rape is ignored or dismissed completely. It makes sense that this ignorant viewpoint is male-oriented because men are the ones doing the raping! Instead, most feminists I know walk tall and don't let fear stop them from living, but also make smart decisions and takes precautions to keep themselves safe, such as carrying rocks and whistles and letting a friend know their whearabouts when going out alone at night. 

Thank you for this post-it has shown exactly the wrong perceptions of feminism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one definition of feminism, which in my opinion (and many other women&#8217;s) is the wrong one. Yes, feminism is about women gaining power, but it&#8217;s also about equalization of the genders. When women become men-hating, sexist and bitter, this is called Female Supremacy. It&#8217;s a really destructive attitude and comes from being misguided. However, this is not the attitude that all feminists have. Most are clued in enough to know that women cannot survive without men and vice versa, biologically we need each other so it makes sense to appreciate each other&#8217;s qualities and live harmoniously. </p>
<p>Also, how are women taught not to be afraid of rape? Women are taught self-defense and not to be submissive, i.e. to tap into their own sense of self-empowerment. However, your argument makes it sound like the issue of rape is ignored or dismissed completely. It makes sense that this ignorant viewpoint is male-oriented because men are the ones doing the raping! Instead, most feminists I know walk tall and don&#8217;t let fear stop them from living, but also make smart decisions and takes precautions to keep themselves safe, such as carrying rocks and whistles and letting a friend know their whearabouts when going out alone at night. </p>
<p>Thank you for this post-it has shown exactly the wrong perceptions of feminism.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn't it be simpler to just ball up men and women into a group, let's call this group Humans and then work on something we'll call Human Rights? History helps guide us on our path into the future by understanding the past, not by getting hung up on it and festering about all the injustice. And God doesn't want women to be subordinate, at least not if you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. And God, in most if not all religions, is considered to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient; in other words "IT" is perfect, so aren't our imperfect insights into god the problem. Didn't mean to get hung up at religion. Last point, people regardless of gender, gender roles, or sexual preference are typically not trying to cause harm for or to others but trying to gain acceptance, happiness, comfort, or simply ease their pain. Life is pain, pain doesn't work for you, you work through pain, and through work you gain a better life. I hope I made sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be simpler to just ball up men and women into a group, let&#8217;s call this group Humans and then work on something we&#8217;ll call Human Rights? History helps guide us on our path into the future by understanding the past, not by getting hung up on it and festering about all the injustice. And God doesn&#8217;t want women to be subordinate, at least not if you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. And God, in most if not all religions, is considered to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient; in other words &#8220;IT&#8221; is perfect, so aren&#8217;t our imperfect insights into god the problem. Didn&#8217;t mean to get hung up at religion. Last point, people regardless of gender, gender roles, or sexual preference are typically not trying to cause harm for or to others but trying to gain acceptance, happiness, comfort, or simply ease their pain. Life is pain, pain doesn&#8217;t work for you, you work through pain, and through work you gain a better life. I hope I made sense.</p>
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		<title>By: eric house</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/06/how-feminism-hurts-women/comment-page-1/#comment-6908</link>
		<dc:creator>eric house</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminism is anti-christian. It goes against the first order God gave to women after she fell to sin, that a woman must be subordinate to her husband. When feminists teach women to disregard this order they are at that point disobeying and teaching others to disobedy God. Many liberal feminists of course simply will not care about this because they simply do not believe in God. How does feminism hurt women? Well men use to treat women special....  however, when enough women say, "don't you think I can hold a door open for myself?" or say when society starts looking with more respect towards women with jobs than they do at stay at home moms who care for their babies, it hurts women. Man was ordered to work, women was ordered to obey her husband, however almosrt everything that liberals believe in is in direct defiance to God and orders he has given. God calls it evil for a man to lay with a man and women to be with women but now we have them being able to be married and legally in our military. They want right and wrong redefined not based on the bible and Gods orders but on their liberal views and life styles. Women are spending less time with their children because they are forced to work. They have more stress in their lives, and less time for love with hubby and babies.

Ladies  the next time some feminist is spurting her BS JUST SAY NO.....

Let me give you a really good picture of their BS...

I live in Daytona Beach Florida, awhile back we had a big fight over whether or not cars should be able to drive down the beach....  it seems that sea turtles where comeing up out of the water and leaveing their eggs in the sand. Sooo liberals and a feminist group where fighting for the beach to be closed as cars where driving over the eggs.   Now mind you just one month before I had seen this group talk over in Orlando and the same big mouth feminist lady doing a speach and she had said and I quote "because it has not been born yet a human egg has no rights" so as this lady was giving her speach here in Daytona I said, "excuse me mamm are yopu not the same lady that told us a month ago that because a baby egg has not been born yet that they have no rights?" She said yeah thats right.....  I SAID THEN ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL WOULD THAT NOT MEAN THAT BECAUSE THE TURTLE EGG HAS NOT BEEN BORN YET IT HAS NO RIGHTS??????? Fopr the first time in my life I saw a feminist speachless....  Ya see the truth is not that feminists really believe that human babies are not alive in the womb of course they are they are alive and ghrowing they simply do not care about that all they care about is "female selfishness' that a womans rights should be treated as more important than her babies... Any real woman would place her babies rights above her own... they can be compared to a deadbeat dad, he does not care about his childs needs it is about spending the money on himself instead... what do women think opf deadbeat dads? That is what men think of women that have abortions. Selfish self centerd people who only care about ME ME ME.....  Feminism is evil and teaches women that all they should care about is themselves. What if a mans group taught men that all they should care about is themselves and their opwen rights? What woulod women think of them? Whart do you think of men who do not put their wives and children first? That is a feminist. Only women can put an end to this, simply turn away from what you know is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism is anti-christian. It goes against the first order God gave to women after she fell to sin, that a woman must be subordinate to her husband. When feminists teach women to disregard this order they are at that point disobeying and teaching others to disobedy God. Many liberal feminists of course simply will not care about this because they simply do not believe in God. How does feminism hurt women? Well men use to treat women special&#8230;.  however, when enough women say, &#8220;don&#8217;t you think I can hold a door open for myself?&#8221; or say when society starts looking with more respect towards women with jobs than they do at stay at home moms who care for their babies, it hurts women. Man was ordered to work, women was ordered to obey her husband, however almosrt everything that liberals believe in is in direct defiance to God and orders he has given. God calls it evil for a man to lay with a man and women to be with women but now we have them being able to be married and legally in our military. They want right and wrong redefined not based on the bible and Gods orders but on their liberal views and life styles. Women are spending less time with their children because they are forced to work. They have more stress in their lives, and less time for love with hubby and babies.</p>
<p>Ladies  the next time some feminist is spurting her BS JUST SAY NO&#8230;..</p>
<p>Let me give you a really good picture of their BS&#8230;</p>
<p>I live in Daytona Beach Florida, awhile back we had a big fight over whether or not cars should be able to drive down the beach&#8230;.  it seems that sea turtles where comeing up out of the water and leaveing their eggs in the sand. Sooo liberals and a feminist group where fighting for the beach to be closed as cars where driving over the eggs.   Now mind you just one month before I had seen this group talk over in Orlando and the same big mouth feminist lady doing a speach and she had said and I quote &#8220;because it has not been born yet a human egg has no rights&#8221; so as this lady was giving her speach here in Daytona I said, &#8220;excuse me mamm are yopu not the same lady that told us a month ago that because a baby egg has not been born yet that they have no rights?&#8221; She said yeah thats right&#8230;..  I SAID THEN ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL WOULD THAT NOT MEAN THAT BECAUSE THE TURTLE EGG HAS NOT BEEN BORN YET IT HAS NO RIGHTS??????? Fopr the first time in my life I saw a feminist speachless&#8230;.  Ya see the truth is not that feminists really believe that human babies are not alive in the womb of course they are they are alive and ghrowing they simply do not care about that all they care about is &#8220;female selfishness&#8217; that a womans rights should be treated as more important than her babies&#8230; Any real woman would place her babies rights above her own&#8230; they can be compared to a deadbeat dad, he does not care about his childs needs it is about spending the money on himself instead&#8230; what do women think opf deadbeat dads? That is what men think of women that have abortions. Selfish self centerd people who only care about ME ME ME&#8230;..  Feminism is evil and teaches women that all they should care about is themselves. What if a mans group taught men that all they should care about is themselves and their opwen rights? What woulod women think of them? Whart do you think of men who do not put their wives and children first? That is a feminist. Only women can put an end to this, simply turn away from what you know is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Women destroy everything they touch!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women destroy everything they touch!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] destroy everything they touch!         How Feminism Hurts Women  AltEngineer Says:  June 5th, 2009 at 3:49 am   </description>
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		<title>By: Brad Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve not too long ago began a blog, the information you present on this web site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for your whole time &#38; work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve not too long ago began a blog, the information you present on this web site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for your whole time &amp; work.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It is true that a woman in the trades has to do the work of 3 men and still no respect."

Did you by chance cross paths with any rookie men around the time you were getting started?  In relation to what Pelle says its not like as men we can pull out our penises to verify manhood and respect is instantly given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is true that a woman in the trades has to do the work of 3 men and still no respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you by chance cross paths with any rookie men around the time you were getting started?  In relation to what Pelle says its not like as men we can pull out our penises to verify manhood and respect is instantly given.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@my2cents.

"And talk about an old boys club - picking on me for every little thing because I am a woman."

That may not be true. Women are often shocked at how men treat each other, and that you get no respect until you've proven time and again that you deserve it. So you may simply be treated the way that men treat each other. I'm not saying that men's way of treating each other is ideal, but I am saying that many women feel discriminated against when they are not.

However, being a woman in a man's job you have the opportunity to affect the workplace culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@my2cents.</p>
<p>&#8220;And talk about an old boys club - picking on me for every little thing because I am a woman.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may not be true. Women are often shocked at how men treat each other, and that you get no respect until you&#8217;ve proven time and again that you deserve it. So you may simply be treated the way that men treat each other. I&#8217;m not saying that men&#8217;s way of treating each other is ideal, but I am saying that many women feel discriminated against when they are not.</p>
<p>However, being a woman in a man&#8217;s job you have the opportunity to affect the workplace culture.</p>
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		<title>By: my2cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>my2cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I would leave my 2 cents worth here - I worked in Libraries for 10 years.... Started a Plumber/Gasfitter Apprenticeship at 38 years old. I am now a Journeyman. It was not easy, and although most of the men I worked with let me do my own thing, there were plenty who would constantly ask me if I needed help - some such pests that I told men off on a regular basis. And talk about an old boys club - picking on me for every little thing because I am a woman. It is true that a woman in the trades has to do the work of 3 men and still no respect. But in the end, who cares...I love what I do and it is a pleasure to hear a young girl say to her mother "look mom, it's a girl!" and maybe open a few minds. I have been proud to do my own work and make my own way without help. Hope I haven't rattled on to much... any questions, just ask, I've worked on alot of Commercial job sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would leave my 2 cents worth here - I worked in Libraries for 10 years&#8230;. Started a Plumber/Gasfitter Apprenticeship at 38 years old. I am now a Journeyman. It was not easy, and although most of the men I worked with let me do my own thing, there were plenty who would constantly ask me if I needed help - some such pests that I told men off on a regular basis. And talk about an old boys club - picking on me for every little thing because I am a woman. It is true that a woman in the trades has to do the work of 3 men and still no respect. But in the end, who cares&#8230;I love what I do and it is a pleasure to hear a young girl say to her mother &#8220;look mom, it&#8217;s a girl!&#8221; and maybe open a few minds. I have been proud to do my own work and make my own way without help. Hope I haven&#8217;t rattled on to much&#8230; any questions, just ask, I&#8217;ve worked on alot of Commercial job sites.</p>
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		<title>By: witman</title>
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		<dc:creator>witman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how many men get praised for being a plumber in the military?  If anything, it's that missing praise that the men might be sorely lacking, not the career choice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how many men get praised for being a plumber in the military?  If anything, it&#8217;s that missing praise that the men might be sorely lacking, not the career choice!</p>
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