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	<title>Comments on: Brain Gender in Tweens</title>
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	<description>Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism</description>
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		<title>By: Gilesy</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/07/brain-gender-in-tweens/comment-page-1/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick point on the 'layman defence' - this article is about fMRI research (hardly a layman area), specifically activity located within biological locations - the concept of biological as innate used in this circumstance, cuts out 1/2 the debate before its even begun.

I believe the interchangable use of biological and innate is extremely damaging to discussion and beliefs in all spheres and so we should raise our consciousness to that (and not perpetuate any mistaken 'layman' predicates). I am very glad you can see my point there.

Imagine what would happen if two branches of the media reported these findings, one using that assumption, one not. Its not difficult to see that assumption having massive political implications - so there is a real importance (beyond truth-seeking) to challenging this idea.

Finally, hard-wired areas, certain ones (such as sensory, abstract thought, ability to create representations etc) are the supports on which flexibility can stand - in the same way that learning a language allows you to express far more complex thoughts for less energy (as opposed to someone who has autism for instance). Both of these feed into each other, complex thoughts get names and get lobbed back into language as concepts - and increasing use of these hard-wired areas allows an individual to develop a more nuanced final flexibility in their thoughts and behaviours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick point on the &#8216;layman defence&#8217; - this article is about fMRI research (hardly a layman area), specifically activity located within biological locations - the concept of biological as innate used in this circumstance, cuts out 1/2 the debate before its even begun.</p>
<p>I believe the interchangable use of biological and innate is extremely damaging to discussion and beliefs in all spheres and so we should raise our consciousness to that (and not perpetuate any mistaken &#8216;layman&#8217; predicates). I am very glad you can see my point there.</p>
<p>Imagine what would happen if two branches of the media reported these findings, one using that assumption, one not. Its not difficult to see that assumption having massive political implications - so there is a real importance (beyond truth-seeking) to challenging this idea.</p>
<p>Finally, hard-wired areas, certain ones (such as sensory, abstract thought, ability to create representations etc) are the supports on which flexibility can stand - in the same way that learning a language allows you to express far more complex thoughts for less energy (as opposed to someone who has autism for instance). Both of these feed into each other, complex thoughts get names and get lobbed back into language as concepts - and increasing use of these hard-wired areas allows an individual to develop a more nuanced final flexibility in their thoughts and behaviours.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/07/brain-gender-in-tweens/comment-page-1/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alexander
I'm aware that free will is a controversial term. If you don't like it, you can substitute it for personal level of development, personality, etc (similar to what Gilesy suggests).

@Clabbe
Thanks for pointing me to the article!

@Gilesy
Yes, innate is a more precise word than biological. However, in layman's terms "biological" represents "innate". I like precise words though, so I'll think about your feedback.

I agree that the brain is very flexible; in fact, it would be difficult for such a complex system to not be flexible. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't hardwired parts too, it simply means that the brain has the potential to transcend those hardwired parts, if the environment demands it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alexander<br />
I&#8217;m aware that free will is a controversial term. If you don&#8217;t like it, you can substitute it for personal level of development, personality, etc (similar to what Gilesy suggests).</p>
<p>@Clabbe<br />
Thanks for pointing me to the article!</p>
<p>@Gilesy<br />
Yes, innate is a more precise word than biological. However, in layman&#8217;s terms &#8220;biological&#8221; represents &#8220;innate&#8221;. I like precise words though, so I&#8217;ll think about your feedback.</p>
<p>I agree that the brain is very flexible; in fact, it would be difficult for such a complex system to not be flexible. However, that doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t hardwired parts too, it simply means that the brain has the potential to transcend those hardwired parts, if the environment demands it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilesy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd also like to point out that the 'girls do this, guys do this in mating' evolutionary explanation is only support that brains have to at least be flexible enough to adopt these social pressures / tactics. If societies change at all, its the flexible ones that will do best, not those 'hard-wired' into a particular strategy (same evolutionary benefit too when the behaviour of the 'flexible one' and 'hard-wired one' would be identical in that strategy).

People tend to quickly forget that the brain is rediculously flexible in virtually everything it does. Especially when people use evolutionary explanations as sure-fire ways of establishing innate determinism for stereotypical behaviours (no doubt with some sort of justification for political or social views lurking no far behind).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that the &#8216;girls do this, guys do this in mating&#8217; evolutionary explanation is only support that brains have to at least be flexible enough to adopt these social pressures / tactics. If societies change at all, its the flexible ones that will do best, not those &#8216;hard-wired&#8217; into a particular strategy (same evolutionary benefit too when the behaviour of the &#8216;flexible one&#8217; and &#8216;hard-wired one&#8217; would be identical in that strategy).</p>
<p>People tend to quickly forget that the brain is rediculously flexible in virtually everything it does. Especially when people use evolutionary explanations as sure-fire ways of establishing innate determinism for stereotypical behaviours (no doubt with some sort of justification for political or social views lurking no far behind).</p>
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		<title>By: Gilesy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd basically substitute that word 'freewill' for individual desires, preferences etc and it makes a bit more sense. Even if its just a fudging of innate and social stuff no doubt - did you choose your preferences? No you choose things because they happen to be your preferences for a variety of reasons - then when you put in the idea of 'cause and effect' being unbreakable (uncaused effect anyone? if so post answer off for Nobel prize) no choice can truely be free.

I'd like to point out that I believe you used the term biological as a synonym for 'innate' - I'm sure you're well aware that biology is the medium that is affected by both innate and social factors - Theres also a lot of social-heavy explanations that would expect the same results from those biological findings. If a child is told stories about prince charming making their life a dream and being happy with the right people, and that happens to be a female stereotype perpetuated by culture - then bam back to the 'now where the f*ck does this go on the nature-nurture continuum???

That said, some really solid behavioural evidence for generally innate sex differences just after childbirth (about as low a social element as you can get), plus brain sizes, grey to white matter ratio stuff like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d basically substitute that word &#8216;freewill&#8217; for individual desires, preferences etc and it makes a bit more sense. Even if its just a fudging of innate and social stuff no doubt - did you choose your preferences? No you choose things because they happen to be your preferences for a variety of reasons - then when you put in the idea of &#8217;cause and effect&#8217; being unbreakable (uncaused effect anyone? if so post answer off for Nobel prize) no choice can truely be free.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that I believe you used the term biological as a synonym for &#8216;innate&#8217; - I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re well aware that biology is the medium that is affected by both innate and social factors - Theres also a lot of social-heavy explanations that would expect the same results from those biological findings. If a child is told stories about prince charming making their life a dream and being happy with the right people, and that happens to be a female stereotype perpetuated by culture - then bam back to the &#8216;now where the f*ck does this go on the nature-nurture continuum???</p>
<p>That said, some really solid behavioural evidence for generally innate sex differences just after childbirth (about as low a social element as you can get), plus brain sizes, grey to white matter ratio stuff like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clabbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clabbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. Nice blog etc. Biology and culture seem to be inevitable influences on us humans. But free will? I'd like to see a scientifically plausible and relevant definition of that concept, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. Nice blog etc. Biology and culture seem to be inevitable influences on us humans. But free will? I&#8217;d like to see a scientifically plausible and relevant definition of that concept, please.</p>
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