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	<description>Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/08/cross-cultural-personality-traits/comment-page-1/#comment-2729</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Your translation is spot on, Mark.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Davenport</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/08/cross-cultural-personality-traits/comment-page-1/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GENUSVETARE?

Google doesn't translate this term, Pelle.  Does it roughly refer to those who are involved in gender studies?</description>
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<p>Google doesn&#8217;t translate this term, Pelle.  Does it roughly refer to those who are involved in gender studies?</p>
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		<title>By: Lyssna på Tanja Bergkvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyssna på Tanja Bergkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] någon större nytta så här långt. Den troliga förklaringen till att könsskillnaderna ökar (enligt en stor forskningsrapport) är att i mer utvecklade länder där människor känner sig friare att studera det de vill, och [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] någon större nytta så här långt. Den troliga förklaringen till att könsskillnaderna ökar (enligt en stor forskningsrapport) är att i mer utvecklade länder där människor känner sig friare att studera det de vill, och [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Norskt TV-program om medfödda könsskillnader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norskt TV-program om medfödda könsskillnader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] intressant faktum som framkommer i programmet (och som jag tidigare skrivit om på min engelska blogg) är att i moderna, jämställda länder så tenderar könsskillnaderna i [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] intressant faktum som framkommer i programmet (och som jag tidigare skrivit om på min engelska blogg) är att i moderna, jämställda länder så tenderar könsskillnaderna i [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How Sexual Traits and Money Affect an Individual &#124; Loan Debt Consolidations</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Sexual Traits and Money Affect an Individual &#124; Loan Debt Consolidations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cross-cultural personality traits [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mattias,

I use Maslow's hierarchy of needs when I lecture about these things!

"The interesting part, in my opinion, is when you compare the individual struggle for ascent in the hierarchy with the same struggle for society, or humankind. Do we control the direction of humankind or is the humankinds direction controlling me?"

I think it's both :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mattias,</p>
<p>I use Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy of needs when I lecture about these things!</p>
<p>&#8220;The interesting part, in my opinion, is when you compare the individual struggle for ascent in the hierarchy with the same struggle for society, or humankind. Do we control the direction of humankind or is the humankinds direction controlling me?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s both <img src='http://www.pellebilling.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mattias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all makes perfect sense if you view it from Abraham Maslow's angle.

In Maslow's hierarchy of needs it is stated that all humans (regardless of sex) first fill their basic needs like food, water and physical safety before they move on to issues like love and esteem. Last, and highest, in the hierarchy is self-actualization which might be called "individualism" which is what we are talking about.

The interesting part, in my opinion, is when you compare the individual struggle for ascent in the hierarchy with the same struggle for society, or humankind. Do we control the direction of humankind or is the humankinds direction controlling me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all makes perfect sense if you view it from Abraham Maslow&#8217;s angle.</p>
<p>In Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy of needs it is stated that all humans (regardless of sex) first fill their basic needs like food, water and physical safety before they move on to issues like love and esteem. Last, and highest, in the hierarchy is self-actualization which might be called &#8220;individualism&#8221; which is what we are talking about.</p>
<p>The interesting part, in my opinion, is when you compare the individual struggle for ascent in the hierarchy with the same struggle for society, or humankind. Do we control the direction of humankind or is the humankinds direction controlling me?</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Courageous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Courageous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In support of your article: I posted a piece on masculinism in the arts. Feminists usually decry it. They posit aggression as the prime factor differentiating masculinism from feminism. From aggression, they derive self-aggrandizement
(Codespeak for assertiveness). The other items they list are further insulting distortions and not worth writing here. But, the main point is that aggression and assertion belong to masculinists, even in the arts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In support of your article: I posted a piece on masculinism in the arts. Feminists usually decry it. They posit aggression as the prime factor differentiating masculinism from feminism. From aggression, they derive self-aggrandizement<br />
(Codespeak for assertiveness). The other items they list are further insulting distortions and not worth writing here. But, the main point is that aggression and assertion belong to masculinists, even in the arts!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andreas

I think a good analogy would be plant growth. When they are saplings it can be difficult to tell sometimes, depending on the species, what genus they are, and it's only when they grow (ie become more free of their initial conditions based on securing survival) that they grow into what they had the potential to be (with their innate differences becoming more pronounced). I think this research is highlighting and uncovering the particular details on this common evolutionary trend in gender differences.

I agree with you in that it certainly depends on what attributes are measured. According to Deida, the masculine is better at facing death and that theme would go all the way up - males on the battlefield and male existentialists. The feminine embraces life and relationships from being better equipped to caring for the young, to pioneering the first gender liberation movement, feminism. Once biological determinism is overcome, these general themes become more pronounced in endeavors in the mental domain. Both masculine and feminine may end up in the same endeavor, but each will have it's own distinct 'flavour'. At least, this is what I'm reading into it...

@Pelle

I'm with you on your understanding of Deida. I think that's exactly how his stage conception operates. Great post Pelle! Thanks for this. Very interesting...

Taking this evolutionary idea into the other themes highlighted - I think most feminists still suffer from what Wilber calls 'flatland' in that they mistakenly believe that all women (people) are at the same developmental stage and want their particular view of gender liberation (or they're sheep). For example, the burqa and hijab have been seen as a form of gender liberation by many Islamic feminists at different periods and in different places in recent history. Just as they have also been used as a form of oppression. If the feminists truely investigate this particular aspect of Islamic history, hopefully this will give them a greater insight into gender dynamics and it's relationship to the evolution of consciousness. At the very least, it will confuse them!

I think the situation is the same with porn (ie very complicated!). Developmentalism still informs the best analysis. In some cases, as Gilsey has experiences with, there are some aspects to it that some women find liberating. My personal view is that most forms of porn are not capable of this and are in fact damaging to both men and women, depending where the participants and users are coming from. I think it can only really become in any way beneficial in post-modern societies. Most forms of porn are degrading to both men and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andreas</p>
<p>I think a good analogy would be plant growth. When they are saplings it can be difficult to tell sometimes, depending on the species, what genus they are, and it&#8217;s only when they grow (ie become more free of their initial conditions based on securing survival) that they grow into what they had the potential to be (with their innate differences becoming more pronounced). I think this research is highlighting and uncovering the particular details on this common evolutionary trend in gender differences.</p>
<p>I agree with you in that it certainly depends on what attributes are measured. According to Deida, the masculine is better at facing death and that theme would go all the way up - males on the battlefield and male existentialists. The feminine embraces life and relationships from being better equipped to caring for the young, to pioneering the first gender liberation movement, feminism. Once biological determinism is overcome, these general themes become more pronounced in endeavors in the mental domain. Both masculine and feminine may end up in the same endeavor, but each will have it&#8217;s own distinct &#8216;flavour&#8217;. At least, this is what I&#8217;m reading into it&#8230;</p>
<p>@Pelle</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on your understanding of Deida. I think that&#8217;s exactly how his stage conception operates. Great post Pelle! Thanks for this. Very interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>Taking this evolutionary idea into the other themes highlighted - I think most feminists still suffer from what Wilber calls &#8216;flatland&#8217; in that they mistakenly believe that all women (people) are at the same developmental stage and want their particular view of gender liberation (or they&#8217;re sheep). For example, the burqa and hijab have been seen as a form of gender liberation by many Islamic feminists at different periods and in different places in recent history. Just as they have also been used as a form of oppression. If the feminists truely investigate this particular aspect of Islamic history, hopefully this will give them a greater insight into gender dynamics and it&#8217;s relationship to the evolution of consciousness. At the very least, it will confuse them!</p>
<p>I think the situation is the same with porn (ie very complicated!). Developmentalism still informs the best analysis. In some cases, as Gilsey has experiences with, there are some aspects to it that some women find liberating. My personal view is that most forms of porn are not capable of this and are in fact damaging to both men and women, depending where the participants and users are coming from. I think it can only really become in any way beneficial in post-modern societies. Most forms of porn are degrading to both men and women.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Dahlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas Dahlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like a very interesting study. I think I have generally underestimated the power of cross-cultural studies. I'm not sure I get the conclusion that "the more we are free the more different we become"... It feels like it might as well be the other way around, depending on what attribute is measured. For instance, if men are better at acting calmly in dangerous situations (are they?), this should be more pronounced and visible in earlier societies or?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a very interesting study. I think I have generally underestimated the power of cross-cultural studies. I&#8217;m not sure I get the conclusion that &#8220;the more we are free the more different we become&#8221;&#8230; It feels like it might as well be the other way around, depending on what attribute is measured. For instance, if men are better at acting calmly in dangerous situations (are they?), this should be more pronounced and visible in earlier societies or?</p>
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