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	<title>Comments on: The prevalence of trafficking may be exaggerated</title>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/10/the-prevalence-of-trafficking-may-be-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments so far guys, and thanks for the links Jeff -- much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments so far guys, and thanks for the links Jeff &#8212; much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems I see with the sex traffic idea is that suppose some of the women were not forced into this type of prostitution, but were willing and wanted to do this type of work, and went out of their way to do this type of work.  (It is a lot of fast easy money, they don’t need a degree, or a green card.) All they have to do is lie and say that someone forced them into it. When perhaps, no one did.

If they lie here are their benefits based on the anti-traffic laws:

1.	They don’t have to go to jail or be arrested.
2.	They get to stay and live in America for an indefinite amount of time.
3.	The U.S. Government will provide them with housing, food, education and will cater to them since they will be considered victims.

The way I see it is that this system will encourage people to lie in order to receive all the benefits listed above.
  
Everything I heard about this problem was Americans complaining about it, but I never heard from the so-called victims themselves complaining about it. Why is that?  Many of the self appointed experts complaining about this have never even met or seen a real victim.  They make up a large figure out of thin air that 2 million or more women and children become sex slaves each year.   They have been saying this for over 15 years so this means that 15 X 2, 000,000 equals 30,000,000  yet no one can find all these women and children.  They have no evidence to back up these numbers, and no one questions them about it.  Their sources have no sources, and are made up numbers.

A key point is that on the sidelines of a debate which has been dominated by ideology, a chorus of alarm from the prostitutes themselves is singing out virtually unheard. They oppose laws against prostitution.  But no one wants to listen to the prostitutites themsleves.  Only to the self appointed experts that make up numbers and stories.

It is very difficult to force someone to be a slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities. 

What hard evidence does the police have that these women were forced slaves?  Were all the women that the police saw in fact slaves? Did the police prove without a doubt due to hard concrete evidence that the women were victims of being slaves and forced against their will?  Did they account for all the benefits they would receive if they lied?
I find it very hard to believe that most women in this business are forced against their will to do it. It would just be too difficult. There may be some exceptions but, I believe this is an attempt to over inflate an issue in order to get more government money to fight this cause.  As a tax payer, voter, and resident I don’t want the government to mislead me.

The following links will give your more information about this
Washington post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401.html
 
Human traffic website:
http://traffickingwatch.org/node/18
 
Guardian newspaper:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems I see with the sex traffic idea is that suppose some of the women were not forced into this type of prostitution, but were willing and wanted to do this type of work, and went out of their way to do this type of work.  (It is a lot of fast easy money, they don’t need a degree, or a green card.) All they have to do is lie and say that someone forced them into it. When perhaps, no one did.</p>
<p>If they lie here are their benefits based on the anti-traffic laws:</p>
<p>1.	They don’t have to go to jail or be arrested.<br />
2.	They get to stay and live in America for an indefinite amount of time.<br />
3.	The U.S. Government will provide them with housing, food, education and will cater to them since they will be considered victims.</p>
<p>The way I see it is that this system will encourage people to lie in order to receive all the benefits listed above.</p>
<p>Everything I heard about this problem was Americans complaining about it, but I never heard from the so-called victims themselves complaining about it. Why is that?  Many of the self appointed experts complaining about this have never even met or seen a real victim.  They make up a large figure out of thin air that 2 million or more women and children become sex slaves each year.   They have been saying this for over 15 years so this means that 15 X 2, 000,000 equals 30,000,000  yet no one can find all these women and children.  They have no evidence to back up these numbers, and no one questions them about it.  Their sources have no sources, and are made up numbers.</p>
<p>A key point is that on the sidelines of a debate which has been dominated by ideology, a chorus of alarm from the prostitutes themselves is singing out virtually unheard. They oppose laws against prostitution.  But no one wants to listen to the prostitutites themsleves.  Only to the self appointed experts that make up numbers and stories.</p>
<p>It is very difficult to force someone to be a slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities. </p>
<p>What hard evidence does the police have that these women were forced slaves?  Were all the women that the police saw in fact slaves? Did the police prove without a doubt due to hard concrete evidence that the women were victims of being slaves and forced against their will?  Did they account for all the benefits they would receive if they lied?<br />
I find it very hard to believe that most women in this business are forced against their will to do it. It would just be too difficult. There may be some exceptions but, I believe this is an attempt to over inflate an issue in order to get more government money to fight this cause.  As a tax payer, voter, and resident I don’t want the government to mislead me.</p>
<p>The following links will give your more information about this<br />
Washington post article:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401.html</a></p>
<p>Human traffic website:<br />
<a href="http://traffickingwatch.org/node/18" rel="nofollow">http://traffickingwatch.org/node/18</a></p>
<p>Guardian newspaper:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Davenport</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/10/the-prevalence-of-trafficking-may-be-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurray for The Guardian, and for you, Pelle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurray for The Guardian, and for you, Pelle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay R</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2009/10/the-prevalence-of-trafficking-may-be-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feminists howl about supposed sex trafficking where little actually occurs.  When it is reported, often it is WOMEN who are doing the trafficking.  (This never shuts the feminists up, however.)

Most human trafficking involves other types of labor, and it is not primarily a female class of victims.

Keep up the good work, Pelle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feminists howl about supposed sex trafficking where little actually occurs.  When it is reported, often it is WOMEN who are doing the trafficking.  (This never shuts the feminists up, however.)</p>
<p>Most human trafficking involves other types of labor, and it is not primarily a female class of victims.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, Pelle!</p>
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