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		<title>By: jhan</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/02/finding-mr-right/comment-page-1/#comment-2721</link>
		<dc:creator>jhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding Mr Right? PLEASE!!!

In my daily commute to NYC, I see thousands of miserable looking women in their late 30's, early 40's. Why would ANY sane man want to attempt a relationship with such washed-up hags?

This the REAL truth of Sex and the City: Women in their 20's and early 30's who put off relationships with good, honest, hard working guys in their search for Mr. Right; ping-pong back and forth between mealy mouthed 'Nice Guys' and oily 'Players' during that period until they're turned into psychotic wretches; ignore biological reality and choose their 'careers' until they realize that the joke's on them and a job is just a job, and the terror-stricken looks on their faces when they realize that they're going to be FORCED to go to these jobs five days a week for the REST OF THEIR LIVES because no man is going to choose to support them at that point.

The truth is that a great deal of Western women have become spoiled, narcissistic whiners that no real man would ever chose. When women learn how to cowgirl up, take responsibility for their own decisions and face reality, and stop blaming everyone else for their problems, they'll be better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding Mr Right? PLEASE!!!</p>
<p>In my daily commute to NYC, I see thousands of miserable looking women in their late 30&#8217;s, early 40&#8217;s. Why would ANY sane man want to attempt a relationship with such washed-up hags?</p>
<p>This the REAL truth of Sex and the City: Women in their 20&#8217;s and early 30&#8217;s who put off relationships with good, honest, hard working guys in their search for Mr. Right; ping-pong back and forth between mealy mouthed &#8216;Nice Guys&#8217; and oily &#8216;Players&#8217; during that period until they&#8217;re turned into psychotic wretches; ignore biological reality and choose their &#8216;careers&#8217; until they realize that the joke&#8217;s on them and a job is just a job, and the terror-stricken looks on their faces when they realize that they&#8217;re going to be FORCED to go to these jobs five days a week for the REST OF THEIR LIVES because no man is going to choose to support them at that point.</p>
<p>The truth is that a great deal of Western women have become spoiled, narcissistic whiners that no real man would ever chose. When women learn how to cowgirl up, take responsibility for their own decisions and face reality, and stop blaming everyone else for their problems, they&#8217;ll be better off.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that inspiring message, Jane. I'm looking forward to lots of interesting meetings at the ITC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that inspiring message, Jane. I&#8217;m looking forward to lots of interesting meetings at the ITC.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane McGillivray</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/02/finding-mr-right/comment-page-1/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane McGillivray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been engaging on one of the most outstanding learning experiences of my life over the past few weeks....on a Teleclass called: Calling In "The One".  It digs deeper and straightens out all the nonsense that has brought our confused species to the place we now find ourselves.  

Pelle, Katherine Woodward Thomas and Claire Zammit will very likely be at the ITC in the summer.... they both attended the ISE at New Years.  My sense is that if you put your work together with theirs you may be able to create a similar class, perhaps marketed more directly to men, to help us ALL wake up to what has been going on, and to what we truly want in our lives..... which is NOT to keep putting each other down, and fighting over the scraps of who got the biggest pile of crap to digest in our difficult history, but to LOVE each other deeply, truly, full-out, and abidingly.  
love Jane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been engaging on one of the most outstanding learning experiences of my life over the past few weeks&#8230;.on a Teleclass called: Calling In &#8220;The One&#8221;.  It digs deeper and straightens out all the nonsense that has brought our confused species to the place we now find ourselves.  </p>
<p>Pelle, Katherine Woodward Thomas and Claire Zammit will very likely be at the ITC in the summer&#8230;. they both attended the ISE at New Years.  My sense is that if you put your work together with theirs you may be able to create a similar class, perhaps marketed more directly to men, to help us ALL wake up to what has been going on, and to what we truly want in our lives&#8230;.. which is NOT to keep putting each other down, and fighting over the scraps of who got the biggest pile of crap to digest in our difficult history, but to LOVE each other deeply, truly, full-out, and abidingly.<br />
love Jane</p>
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		<title>By: Lavazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lavazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: I think you are right. Feminists want to take credit for good things (and some bad things that they think are good things) that have their origin in much broader movements and societal/economic changes.

But the same goes for some things that we blame feminists for (or rather criticise them for not fighting).

Consumerism is such a broad trend that explains a lot of feminist/female attitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: I think you are right. Feminists want to take credit for good things (and some bad things that they think are good things) that have their origin in much broader movements and societal/economic changes.</p>
<p>But the same goes for some things that we blame feminists for (or rather criticise them for not fighting).</p>
<p>Consumerism is such a broad trend that explains a lot of feminist/female attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The men seem to be realists, while the women are living in some kind of fantasy land created by misguided feminism that teaches entitlement and narcissism,"

This really feels more like consumerism than feminism, although it can be very hard to distinguish between the two. The message of entitlement is the same in this case - the God-almighty consumer deserves the very best and only the very best, the customer is always right. It can train even a healthy person to behave like a narcissist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The men seem to be realists, while the women are living in some kind of fantasy land created by misguided feminism that teaches entitlement and narcissism,&#8221;</p>
<p>This really feels more like consumerism than feminism, although it can be very hard to distinguish between the two. The message of entitlement is the same in this case - the God-almighty consumer deserves the very best and only the very best, the customer is always right. It can train even a healthy person to behave like a narcissist.</p>
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		<title>By: Lavazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lavazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there is a lot of misandry in the media and high brow cultural discourse. A lot of men have been affected (liberal middle class), a lot of men have not been affected at all, since they are not in that loop (conservative upper class and working class).

Earlier unsuccessful guys in their thirties and older with a good income who have not yet married can play the field quite successfully by tapping the "biological clock ticking" career girl ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there is a lot of misandry in the media and high brow cultural discourse. A lot of men have been affected (liberal middle class), a lot of men have not been affected at all, since they are not in that loop (conservative upper class and working class).</p>
<p>Earlier unsuccessful guys in their thirties and older with a good income who have not yet married can play the field quite successfully by tapping the &#8220;biological clock ticking&#8221; career girl ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to what you wrote Pelle:

At most workplaces, especially deskjob-workplaces, there is an unwritten rule - the older more experienced employees stand back and take the responsible role in conflicts of different sorts. I am very glad for that because I have said and done some things that werent very thought through in my early days. Now I can give that back by cushioning younger employees and perhaps keeping them from making the worst mistakes. It is the modern version of the veteran hunters taking the new hunter on his first hunting trip back in the days...

In modern feminism it is somehow okay for very successful and very experienced older feminists to take advantage of the young mens vurnerability and use it ruthlessly to drive home their points about male worthlessness. As a young, pubertal male - how do you ever stand up to such a feminist? Or even to yourself?

This is probably what makes me the most angry about feminism. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to what you wrote Pelle:</p>
<p>At most workplaces, especially deskjob-workplaces, there is an unwritten rule - the older more experienced employees stand back and take the responsible role in conflicts of different sorts. I am very glad for that because I have said and done some things that werent very thought through in my early days. Now I can give that back by cushioning younger employees and perhaps keeping them from making the worst mistakes. It is the modern version of the veteran hunters taking the new hunter on his first hunting trip back in the days&#8230;</p>
<p>In modern feminism it is somehow okay for very successful and very experienced older feminists to take advantage of the young mens vurnerability and use it ruthlessly to drive home their points about male worthlessness. As a young, pubertal male - how do you ever stand up to such a feminist? Or even to yourself?</p>
<p>This is probably what makes me the most angry about feminism. <img src='http://www.pellebilling.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eivind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eivind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, this may be the most important blog post you've written so far, Pelle. Young girls who grow up with fathers who don't set clear boundaries and give them a healthy image of men and masculinity turn into intolerable narcissists. The feminized culture we live in is a deeply sick "I'm worth it"-culture where ever increasing numbers are more concerned about looking good than being good. It's a culture of entitlement. Of getting something for nothing. This is what happens when the masculine gets marginalized. 

This is one of the main focuses of my spiritual mentor in the US. This is his pet peeve. Pet hatred more like. Our society is turning into a narcissistic madhouse because of this trend. 

If it's okay with you, Pelle, I'd like to mention some of my own work. When I wrote about &lt;a href="http://www.masculinity-movies.com/movie-database/gran-torino/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Gran Torino&lt;/a&gt; on my site, I was shocked by the Ashley character. This young little cretin can't wait for her grandfather to die, so that she can get her hands on his car. She doesn't even try to hide it. "What are you going to do with the car when you die?" she asks him. She is not only a cretin, she is borderline subhuman. She has lost touch with her basic humanity. It's very serious.

In the movie that I'm about to feature, Boy A, a boy is jailed for the murder of a young girl. But as the movie progresses, we see the intricate tapestry of tragic stories of fathers losing their sons, sons losing their fathers and boys being seen as savages. The scene in which the girl is dragged away to be killed by the boy's friend (he's merely a bystander) shows how the girl feels that boys are subhuman and that girls are inherently better. The girl is killed because she believes boys are scum. The friend is later lynched by a mob and he himself ends up committing suicide upon his release from jail because the collective hatred of society makes life impossible for him. Even though he was essentially a wonderful young man.

If we had the full picture of the kind of damage this mentality is creating in the world, it would be unbearable. 

Eivind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, this may be the most important blog post you&#8217;ve written so far, Pelle. Young girls who grow up with fathers who don&#8217;t set clear boundaries and give them a healthy image of men and masculinity turn into intolerable narcissists. The feminized culture we live in is a deeply sick &#8220;I&#8217;m worth it&#8221;-culture where ever increasing numbers are more concerned about looking good than being good. It&#8217;s a culture of entitlement. Of getting something for nothing. This is what happens when the masculine gets marginalized. </p>
<p>This is one of the main focuses of my spiritual mentor in the US. This is his pet peeve. Pet hatred more like. Our society is turning into a narcissistic madhouse because of this trend. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s okay with you, Pelle, I&#8217;d like to mention some of my own work. When I wrote about <a href="http://www.masculinity-movies.com/movie-database/gran-torino/" rel="nofollow">Gran Torino</a> on my site, I was shocked by the Ashley character. This young little cretin can&#8217;t wait for her grandfather to die, so that she can get her hands on his car. She doesn&#8217;t even try to hide it. &#8220;What are you going to do with the car when you die?&#8221; she asks him. She is not only a cretin, she is borderline subhuman. She has lost touch with her basic humanity. It&#8217;s very serious.</p>
<p>In the movie that I&#8217;m about to feature, Boy A, a boy is jailed for the murder of a young girl. But as the movie progresses, we see the intricate tapestry of tragic stories of fathers losing their sons, sons losing their fathers and boys being seen as savages. The scene in which the girl is dragged away to be killed by the boy&#8217;s friend (he&#8217;s merely a bystander) shows how the girl feels that boys are subhuman and that girls are inherently better. The girl is killed because she believes boys are scum. The friend is later lynched by a mob and he himself ends up committing suicide upon his release from jail because the collective hatred of society makes life impossible for him. Even though he was essentially a wonderful young man.</p>
<p>If we had the full picture of the kind of damage this mentality is creating in the world, it would be unbearable. </p>
<p>Eivind</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Davenport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a link to a 17 minute video of a discussion of Gottlieb's book by two articulate female liberal bloggers: 

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/26015

Some American politics is thrown in but all-in-all I was pleased with their reasonableness.  But not much about men's plight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to a 17 minute video of a discussion of Gottlieb&#8217;s book by two articulate female liberal bloggers: </p>
<p><a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/26015" rel="nofollow">http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/26015</a></p>
<p>Some American politics is thrown in but all-in-all I was pleased with their reasonableness.  But not much about men&#8217;s plight.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What kind of world have we created when young women cheer at a woman who coldly dumps the man who’s stood by her during her cancer? It’s not that Samantha should be forced to stay together with anyone, but in the absence of pathological narcissism, most people wouldn’t consider that a happy scene that deserves cheering.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I've never been a fan of Sex in the City but for people to cheer over her dumping that guy I can only hope that he was doing something wrong/immoral/illegal to her.  But given the very attitude you speak of in this post I doubt it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Something that Gottlied does not address, but which I believe to be just as important as the delusions taught to young women, is that young men have been just as affected by contemporary feminism. Not through believing that they are kings or princes who have the right to whatever they want, but through being taught that being a man is something to be ashamed of, and that manhood is synonymous with oppression and violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'd say its a bit more than that.  It seems that feminists (and through extension feminism) want to paint the image that as males we have been raised to think we are kings/princes who think we have a right to whatever we want when that is more often not the case than when it is.  (Yet for some reason due to sharing gender with the ones that do its just fine not only judge us guilty by association but for our gender to called the root cause, aka patriarchy, rather than the greed that accurately links them all together and would not leave the rest of us guilty by association.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What kind of world have we created when young women cheer at a woman who coldly dumps the man who’s stood by her during her cancer? It’s not that Samantha should be forced to stay together with anyone, but in the absence of pathological narcissism, most people wouldn’t consider that a happy scene that deserves cheering.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of Sex in the City but for people to cheer over her dumping that guy I can only hope that he was doing something wrong/immoral/illegal to her.  But given the very attitude you speak of in this post I doubt it.</p>
<blockquote><p>Something that Gottlied does not address, but which I believe to be just as important as the delusions taught to young women, is that young men have been just as affected by contemporary feminism. Not through believing that they are kings or princes who have the right to whatever they want, but through being taught that being a man is something to be ashamed of, and that manhood is synonymous with oppression and violence.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d say its a bit more than that.  It seems that feminists (and through extension feminism) want to paint the image that as males we have been raised to think we are kings/princes who think we have a right to whatever we want when that is more often not the case than when it is.  (Yet for some reason due to sharing gender with the ones that do its just fine not only judge us guilty by association but for our gender to called the root cause, aka patriarchy, rather than the greed that accurately links them all together and would not leave the rest of us guilty by association.)</p>
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