<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Why Men Compete</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/</link>
	<description>Gender Liberation Beyond Feminism</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Oh...those differences between men and women..... - Page 38 - Christian Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3240</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh...those differences between men and women..... - Page 38 - Christian Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3240</guid>
		<description>[...] to the women&#8217;s movement. Women are more aware of their choices, and evolutionary speaking women have always had to think about how good a deal they can get when interacting with men. Men, on the other hand, still believe that they need to perform their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the women&#8217;s movement. Women are more aware of their choices, and evolutionary speaking women have always had to think about how good a deal they can get when interacting with men. Men, on the other hand, still believe that they need to perform their [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: It&#8217;s Time to Start Negotiating</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Time to Start Negotiating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3173</guid>
		<description>[...] to the women&#8217;s movement. Women are more aware of their choices, and evolutionary speaking women have always had to think about how good a deal they can get when interacting with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the women&#8217;s movement. Women are more aware of their choices, and evolutionary speaking women have always had to think about how good a deal they can get when interacting with [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Emilio</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3078</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3078</guid>
		<description>En español se conserva el dicho: "el hombre y el oso, cuanto más feo, más hermoso"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>En español se conserva el dicho: &#8220;el hombre y el oso, cuanto más feo, más hermoso&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3073</guid>
		<description>@Kimberly Johnson and others.

OK, you're offended biological determinism...

Tuff. 

Biology does not care one iota what your concerns 

Do you seriously believe that there are no genetically defined behavioral differences between men and woman. In which case full marks to to your liberal arts gender studies lecturer for selling you the left-wing politically correct polemic that we are all made of the same blank clay.

It is tosh.

Boys and girls have different genes. Our differences start in our DNA. Every single cell is different.

Boys grow up awash in testosterone. Our brains are different from day 1 and continue to develop along different pathways. We are more similar than we are different but we are different. Simply consider the different rates of Aspergers and similar autism spectrum disorders between boys and girls. Yes societal pressures, media, parental models affect us but we are made such that we are affected differentially. It is easier to influence a male towards competitive violence. We are made such that we are differentially receptive. 

A consequence of out different biology is that most successful reproductive strategies for men and women are different. The strategies predicted by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bateman%27s_principle" rel="nofollow"&gt;Batmen's Principle&lt;/a&gt; are more or less observed in humans as well as thousand and thousands of other species. This is not some PC debate about how the world should be. It is hard empirical testable evidence based science and it pisses all over your warm and fuzzy liberal arts feel good wishful thinking view of the world.

If you don't or can't accept that human nature has been strongly influenced by the genetic legacy left us by the life, struggle and death of the hundreds of millions of generations that have preceded us then you are delusional. Evolution via natural selection is a brutally effective mechanism. 

Evolutionary psychology may be hard pressed to call itself a science but it tries to be far more empirical than competing schools. 

Men want sex, and lots of it from lots of different women.
To get it they will compete to be selected by women for that chance. They will fight to the death if they must because if they don't risk everything then they have almost no chance of having their genes present in future generations and that is all evolution cares about.

Women want safety, why would they risk when they have almost no need to. The biggest risk to a woman - from an evolutionary perspective - is not getting a mate, it is successfully getting her offspring to an age where they are old enough to likely survive to reproductive age themselves. For that she need resource security, safety etc.

Which sex wants sex on the first date? Men or women ?
Which wants their partner to establish that they are committed and loving etc before sex ?
Which sex is more attracted to a powerful partner  ?
Which sex is more competitive for power, rank etc.
And for extra points: Which sex is physically larger and why?

Further I contend that the social changes desired by the more recent aspects of feminism are so contra to that of men that men will simply disconnect form women. That men will become more misogynistic and less inclined to let women into the few remaining male only spaces where we can be happy to be as we are without some crackpot telling us how we should be. At every turn men are being told we are bad, we are wrong, we must change. It seems to be outside the charter of feminism to believe that a woman could ever be wrong.  As such you will never get to understand what men can be. One thing is sure - we will no longer countenance letting you shape us. The line has been crosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kimberly Johnson and others.</p>
<p>OK, you&#8217;re offended biological determinism&#8230;</p>
<p>Tuff. </p>
<p>Biology does not care one iota what your concerns </p>
<p>Do you seriously believe that there are no genetically defined behavioral differences between men and woman. In which case full marks to to your liberal arts gender studies lecturer for selling you the left-wing politically correct polemic that we are all made of the same blank clay.</p>
<p>It is tosh.</p>
<p>Boys and girls have different genes. Our differences start in our DNA. Every single cell is different.</p>
<p>Boys grow up awash in testosterone. Our brains are different from day 1 and continue to develop along different pathways. We are more similar than we are different but we are different. Simply consider the different rates of Aspergers and similar autism spectrum disorders between boys and girls. Yes societal pressures, media, parental models affect us but we are made such that we are affected differentially. It is easier to influence a male towards competitive violence. We are made such that we are differentially receptive. </p>
<p>A consequence of out different biology is that most successful reproductive strategies for men and women are different. The strategies predicted by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bateman%27s_principle" rel="nofollow">Batmen&#8217;s Principle</a> are more or less observed in humans as well as thousand and thousands of other species. This is not some PC debate about how the world should be. It is hard empirical testable evidence based science and it pisses all over your warm and fuzzy liberal arts feel good wishful thinking view of the world.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t accept that human nature has been strongly influenced by the genetic legacy left us by the life, struggle and death of the hundreds of millions of generations that have preceded us then you are delusional. Evolution via natural selection is a brutally effective mechanism. </p>
<p>Evolutionary psychology may be hard pressed to call itself a science but it tries to be far more empirical than competing schools. </p>
<p>Men want sex, and lots of it from lots of different women.<br />
To get it they will compete to be selected by women for that chance. They will fight to the death if they must because if they don&#8217;t risk everything then they have almost no chance of having their genes present in future generations and that is all evolution cares about.</p>
<p>Women want safety, why would they risk when they have almost no need to. The biggest risk to a woman - from an evolutionary perspective - is not getting a mate, it is successfully getting her offspring to an age where they are old enough to likely survive to reproductive age themselves. For that she need resource security, safety etc.</p>
<p>Which sex wants sex on the first date? Men or women ?<br />
Which wants their partner to establish that they are committed and loving etc before sex ?<br />
Which sex is more attracted to a powerful partner  ?<br />
Which sex is more competitive for power, rank etc.<br />
And for extra points: Which sex is physically larger and why?</p>
<p>Further I contend that the social changes desired by the more recent aspects of feminism are so contra to that of men that men will simply disconnect form women. That men will become more misogynistic and less inclined to let women into the few remaining male only spaces where we can be happy to be as we are without some crackpot telling us how we should be. At every turn men are being told we are bad, we are wrong, we must change. It seems to be outside the charter of feminism to believe that a woman could ever be wrong.  As such you will never get to understand what men can be. One thing is sure - we will no longer countenance letting you shape us. The line has been crosses.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3059</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3059</guid>
		<description>Not only did Pelle not mention them but they don't come up at all until Kimberly brings them up.

Pelle isn't trying to say that genes are the reason, he's trying to look at history itself for evidence of how things came to be.  Parents showing and telling their sons that they have to be the toughest in order be with a woman.  Parents showing and telling daughters to go for the toughest guy since is most likely the best provider.  Those behaviors weren't passed along in genes they were passed along as learned behavior.  They saw their parents do it so they do it.  Think about how gender roles are changing so much and its throwing people for such a loop.  Its throwing them for a loop because it goes against the behaviors they learned, ie what they learned from their parents.  This is why today you have men who think they need to be the roughest, toughest, emotionless badass to find a woman and women who think they need to make sure they present properly in order to appeal to the man they think will be the best provider for them that seem lost.  Each are realizing they don't have to play those roles in order to survive.

And considering that the old paradigm can't seem to get past, "men are violent brutes and that's all they are" I'd say that at least Pelle it trying to think/look outside the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did Pelle not mention them but they don&#8217;t come up at all until Kimberly brings them up.</p>
<p>Pelle isn&#8217;t trying to say that genes are the reason, he&#8217;s trying to look at history itself for evidence of how things came to be.  Parents showing and telling their sons that they have to be the toughest in order be with a woman.  Parents showing and telling daughters to go for the toughest guy since is most likely the best provider.  Those behaviors weren&#8217;t passed along in genes they were passed along as learned behavior.  They saw their parents do it so they do it.  Think about how gender roles are changing so much and its throwing people for such a loop.  Its throwing them for a loop because it goes against the behaviors they learned, ie what they learned from their parents.  This is why today you have men who think they need to be the roughest, toughest, emotionless badass to find a woman and women who think they need to make sure they present properly in order to appeal to the man they think will be the best provider for them that seem lost.  Each are realizing they don&#8217;t have to play those roles in order to survive.</p>
<p>And considering that the old paradigm can&#8217;t seem to get past, &#8220;men are violent brutes and that&#8217;s all they are&#8221; I&#8217;d say that at least Pelle it trying to think/look outside the box.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hopeless_case</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator>hopeless_case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3058</guid>
		<description>Kimberly:

Nowhere in the article are genes mentioned.  Genes are not the only thing evolving; culture and language evolve much more rapidly and profoundly affect how people think and act.

Pelle described a few of the rewards and punishments men have faced through history and how those might explain behavior.

I would be curious to hear a more plausible explanation from you, since you find Pelle's hard to credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimberly:</p>
<p>Nowhere in the article are genes mentioned.  Genes are not the only thing evolving; culture and language evolve much more rapidly and profoundly affect how people think and act.</p>
<p>Pelle described a few of the rewards and punishments men have faced through history and how those might explain behavior.</p>
<p>I would be curious to hear a more plausible explanation from you, since you find Pelle&#8217;s hard to credit.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kimberly Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3057</guid>
		<description>This article is full of biological determinism-- Darwinian-style. So because of genetic selection, men fight to compete as a means to propagate their genes- really? is this the "new paradigm"? Sounds like kind of an old paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is full of biological determinism&#8211; Darwinian-style. So because of genetic selection, men fight to compete as a means to propagate their genes- really? is this the &#8220;new paradigm&#8221;? Sounds like kind of an old paradigm.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: masculinist</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>masculinist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 05:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3022</guid>
		<description>Better to eschew female definition/judgement altogether, Jay R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to eschew female definition/judgement altogether, Jay R.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jay R</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3020</guid>
		<description>To anyone who points the finger at men for their violence it can be noted that women's mating choices over the ages have literally made men what we are.  If we are ass-kickers, it's because women wanted a supply of ass-kickers.  Now they are stuck with us!  Too bad, so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To anyone who points the finger at men for their violence it can be noted that women&#8217;s mating choices over the ages have literally made men what we are.  If we are ass-kickers, it&#8217;s because women wanted a supply of ass-kickers.  Now they are stuck with us!  Too bad, so sad.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pellebilling.com/2010/05/why-men-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-3019</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pellebilling.com/?p=2237#comment-3019</guid>
		<description>Quite often a lot of this violence between men is at the direct prompting of women:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/issaquah-pi/archives/208343.asp

And this is just the informal variant of male-on-male violence in the form of rape prosecutions documented on a dialy basis over at http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/.

This is aside from women's role in pro-war cultural pressure on men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite often a lot of this violence between men is at the direct prompting of women:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/issaquah-pi/archives/208343.asp" rel="nofollow">http://blog.seattlepi.com/issaquah-pi/archives/208343.asp</a></p>
<p>And this is just the informal variant of male-on-male violence in the form of rape prosecutions documented on a dialy basis over at <a href="http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/</a>.</p>
<p>This is aside from women&#8217;s role in pro-war cultural pressure on men.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

